[CCF] [TOEC] Sweden wins Scandinavian Cup !

Fri Oct 2 07:42:27 PDT 2009

Hei Tomi!

Thanks a lot for the promise for continued challenges ;)

We are already preparing for the defence of the possible sweet victory, with
the memory of how past Tre Kronor hockey exploit inspired us this year...

And next time Tomi... by the way...   SO1R at 7S2W will be a smooth and
well-oiled SO2R setup ;)

But still.... nothing is won or lost yet... for Suomi eller Sverige!  Time
will tell, but I can admit I begin to slowly replace pessimism with a slight
trace of modest optimism...

Hope to see you in CQWW from R3/SM6LRR, RL3A or from some other interesting
location!

Also in CCF 2010 meeting.

73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats

2009/10/2 Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>

> Heh,
> I don't actually earn sympathy, because I went to OH0 for totally egoistic
> reasons: to compete in single op class in Scandinavian level. I was
> betraying my country without wounds in my soul.
>
> I congratulate you beloved dearest enemies swedes and hope this would lead
> to huge revenge attack from Finland in next year's SAC.
>
> But what we really should do is to move SSB part away from WW RTTY. Just
> move without changing rules otherwise (should be easy enough). We had a good
> activity also on SSB but I found good evidence of lacking interest in
> contest community:
>
> From DX Summit spot counts:
> CW: OH2BH 45, OH0Z 55 spots
> SSB: OH2BH 4, OH0Z 8  spots
>
> What a difference.
>
> t Tomi OH6EI
>
>
>
>
> Ari Pietikäinen kirjoitti 02.10.2009 kello 15:51:
>  > Hejsan - grattis SM kollegor!
> >
> > While my sympathy goes to Tomi, I totally agree with Mats (and Hannu
> >  in a
> > previous post). DXCC entities count. Let's not make it too easy for
> >  us in
> > mainland OH.
> >
> > Face the brutal facts: the number of OH participants was simply too
> >  low to
> > match the competition, with or without OH0.
> >
> > In my opinion, activating and motivating the small pistols - myself
> >  included
> > - is where we are way behind Sweden. I am pretty sure more stations
> >  would
> > join if the dismissive attitude towards low-power/single band/one mode
> > only/just a few hours/"tourist class" operators such as oh2bsi would
> >  be less
> > prominent. Not everyone has the same energy, facilities and
> >  available time,
> > yet every log counts.
> >
> > Awaiting all the more interesting SAC 2010!
> > 73
> > /Ari oh2bsi ei5ip (op. @oh2aaz sac cw 2009)
> >
> > P.S.
> > Tackar för fantastiskt bra sac-resultatsidor!
> >
> > -----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
> > Lähettäjä: ccf-bounces at contesting.com
> >  [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com]
> > Puolesta Mats Strandberg
> > Lähetetty: 2. lokakuuta 2009 12:58
> > Vastaanottaja: Tomi Ylinen
> > Kopio: CCF Postituslista; toec at contesting.com
> > Aihe: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] Sweden wins Scandinavian Cup !
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > This is an issue that apparently has been a discussion during the years
> > following after the 2000 contest.
> >
> > I for sure do not have any definite answer on that. My backlog in
> >  recent 20
> > years of SAC contests since 1990 when I participated last time
> >  shortly after
> > my army service, and now the past 3 years, is too limited.
> >
> > One of the reasons why I am a strong advocate for a Scandinavian
> >  Activity
> > Contest Committee is simply because we need to have a more up-to-date
> > control of rules changes and other issues that otherwise can lead to
> > confusion.
> >
> > The way I from my Swedish perspective perceive the rules for
> >  Scandinavian
> > Cup is pretty clear, and subjective in the same way that I would
> >  obviously
> > have reacted in case I was Finnish and wanted to win the
> >  Scandinavian Cup
> > for Finland.
> >
> > I see the equal and fair competition to be when Scandinavian Cup is
> >  divided
> > into countries (meaning DXCC entities). The advantage of being OH0,
> >  OJ0, JW,
> > OY, TF or OX compared to less rare countries like OH, SM, LA and OZ is
> > without any exaggeration quite obvious... I would have truly enjoyed
> >  to be
> > able to select a more rare Swedish DXCC country than SM, but this is
> > unfortunately utophia after OHO was ceded in 1809 to Russia under
> >  the Treaty
> > of Fredrikshamn.
> >
> > I would even more so have wished that OH0 was part of the less rare
> >  OH when
> > competing in SOMB HP Class in SAC 2009. Even if OH0Z is a fantastic
> >  station,
> > and that Tomi is a truly First Class Operator on both CW and SSB, and
> > considering that Åland has a somewhat favourable location compared
> >  to SM2
> > where I participated from, I must of course just admit that OH0Z is
> > unquestionable the winner of the individual class SOMB HP in SAC SSB
> >  2009.
> > I can not claim that the advantages from OH0Z are unfair.
> >
> > In the same way, I think that Scandinavian Cup, should be based on
> >  entries
> > from one DXCC country, rather than allowing one country to use three
> >  DXCC
> > countries, two of them very much more attractive to
> >  Non-Scandinavians than
> > the larger countries in our region.
> >
> > This is strictly my opinion, and as said before, I am open to other
> >  opinions
> > and to discuss this subject with the other NRAU members for possible
> > clarifications.
> >
> > The important thing for me is that SAC is a contest that is gaining
> > popularity and that is perceived as the best regional contest event
> >  of the
> > world. Scandinavian Cup stimulates the participation from all
> >  countries, and
> > I hope that our OH friends will also allow little brother Sweden
> >  sometimes
> > to feel entitled to a possible victory, in case we happen to win
> >  from time
> > to time.
> >
> > If Finland all the time wins (with or without additional rare extra
> > territories), it will be boring for the rest, and reduce the
> >  interest for
> > SAC in the other countries.
> >
> > I also hope that Denmark, Norway and Åland feel the same stimulation for
> > internal competition in their sizes, in the same way that OH and SM
> >  feels
> > about their challenge!
> >
> > 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/2 Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
> >
> > > I have not followed this by years, but some days ago someone mentioned
> > very
> > > wise argument: SAC is comptetition between NRAU leagues. OH0 and
> > > OH0-amateurs are all members of SRAL, there is not own organization for
> > OH0.
> > > Therefore OH0-scores are part of OH-effort to my understanding.
> > >
> > > Personally, operating from OH0Z, I strongly want to be part of finnish
> > team
> > > effort.
> > >
> > > Tomi OH6EI
> > >
> > > Timo Klimoff kirjoitti 02.10.2009 kello 12:19:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: toec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:
> toec-bounces at contesting.com]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:19 AM
> > > > > To: timo.korhonen at elisanet.fi
> > > > > Cc: toec at contesting.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TOEC] Sweden wins Scandinavian Cup !
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, thanks for wishes, but being a notorious over-realist... I
> > prefer
> > > > > to
> > > > > wait a little longer to be sure about that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I want to thank all Scandinavian stations, regardless of
> the
> > > > > result
> > > > > in Scandinavian Cup for good activity.
> > > >
> > > > Just as a side note:
> > > >
> > > > can someone explain why suddenly in SAC 2000 results (and onwards)
> > > >  OH0 was
> > > > not anymore a part of SRAL in Scandinavian Cup? I've been wondering
> this
> > > > almost 9 years now  (not just now when we are losing it) :)
> > > >
> > > > http://lists.contesting.com/_toec/2006-November/003385.html
> > > >
> > > > tells that there has not been actual written decision, probably just
> the
> > > > organizer of 2000 contest (SSA) left OH0 (and OJ0) out and next
> > > >  organizers
> > > > copied the action. For me SAC is not a real Finnkampen when some of
> > > >  our best
> > > > operators travel to OH0 ... basicly for nothing Scandinavian Cup wise
> :)
> > > >
> > > > 73, Timo OH1NOA
> > > >
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