[CCF] CCF Digest, Vol 94, Issue 20 Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin

Veikko Kuumola veikko.kuumola at kolumbus.fi
Wed Oct 27 12:44:11 PDT 2010


Sepolle kiitoksia Ameriikan QSOsta CW:llä- en meinannut silloin ensin yöllä 
tajuta että siellähän piiloutu amerikan
callin taakse tuttu miäs- ja nopeuskin oli senverran kova - ettei hidas 
hämäläinen meinannut päästä heti jyvälle...!!

OH3LB ei voi pitää näppejään irtiavaimesta jotenka: CQ WW CW luokka SOSB ?? 
LP non assisted

paikkana Karijoki tai Lempäälä, jolloin ratkeaa myös band tai bandit 
lopullisesti
(Paikka asia vaatii nk. hallituspäätösiä- johonka on haminkin tyytyminen 
;) )

SSB osiossa saatan tulla lähinnä kisaturistina mukaan pisteitä muille ja 
kisakokemusta hankkimaan..se myös suotakoon.

73 de Vexi OH3LB

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:03:31 +0300
From: Seppo Sisatto <Seppo.Sisatto at uta.fi>
Subject: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
To: ccf at contesting.com
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Sirs,

Vanhaan hyv??n aikaan oli tapana kertoa
CCF:n sivuilla, ett? OH55Z on mukana CQ WW:ss?
M/M -luokassa tms. N?ist? ilmoituksista sai
infoa siit? kuka on mukana, kenen kanssa
kisataan jne. En olisi pahoillani t?m?n
k?yt?nn?n uudelleen syntymisest?.

Eli:

OG1M M/S CQ WW SSB (Ops. OH1VR, OH3RM, OH3WW ja OH6KZP)

ZL7VR (op. OH1VR) CQ WW CW SOSB 15 LP

Kisaonnea itse kullekin!

73, Seppo OH1VR


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>   1. Re: Microham Decoders Problem, PSE help (Tapani Nisula)
>   2. Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Seppo Sisatto)
>   3. Re: Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Esa Korhonen)
>   4. Re: Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Jukka Tarvainen)
>   5. Re: Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Timo Klimoff)
>   6. Re: Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Esa Korhonen)
>   7. Re: Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin (Jouni Tarvainen OH4KZM)
>   8. Fw: Re: Assisted QRP? (Jari Jokiniemi)
>   9. Asssisted Catagory in CQWW expanded (jari.talkara at nokia.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:34:40 +0300
> From: Tapani Nisula <oh5bm1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Microham Decoders Problem, PSE help
> To: Juha Rantanen <oh6xx at sral.fi>
> Cc: ccf at contesting.com
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> Terve,
> onhahan teill? decoderien per?ss? Microhamin tupla antenniswitsi?
> Micro double antenna switch
> Sellaisen kanssa minulla toimii ilman erityiconfiguraatiota. A/B
>
> Oli tietysti valittuna rigeille.
>
> Tapani
>
>
>
> 26. lokakuuta 2010 20.40 Juha Rantanen <oh6xx at sral.fi> kirjoitti:
>
>> Ville,
>>
>> Purkit eiv?t est? bandin vaihtoa samalle bandille, mutta antaako se
>> tosiaan rigien l?hett?? kun ne ovat samalla bandilla?
>>
>> Juha OH6XX
>>
>> On 26.10.2010 20:30, Ville Hiilesmaa wrote:
>> > Tarttis viisaiden apua:
>> >
>> > Meill? on 2 asemaa, multisingle tekeill? t??ll? Brasiliassa.
>> > Rigit on YaesuFT 2000 ja K3. Molemmat kytketty noihin tavallisiin
>> Microham
>> > Micro Band Decodereihin (kuva).
>> > Mutta: Purkit sallii molempien asemien menon samalle bandille, siis ei
>> ole
>> > interlockia.
>> > Purkin konf-failissa on interlock t?pp? aktivoitu, muttei auta.
>> >
>> > Wintest 4.5.1 toimii molemmissa ja verkko OK. En l?yt?nyt Wintestin
>> > conf-filest? mit??n sopivaa t?pp??.
>> >
>> > Savua tulee jollei ratkaisua l?ydy......
>> >
>> > 73 Ville OH2MM PY2ZEA
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:03:31 +0300
> From: Seppo Sisatto <Seppo.Sisatto at uta.fi>
> Subject: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: ccf at contesting.com
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> Sirs,
>
> Vanhaan hyv??n aikaan oli tapana kertoa
> CCF:n sivuilla, ett? OH55Z on mukana CQ WW:ss?
> M/M -luokassa tms. N?ist? ilmoituksista sai
> infoa siit? kuka on mukana, kenen kanssa
> kisataan jne. En olisi pahoillani t?m?n
> k?yt?nn?n uudelleen syntymisest?.
>
> Eli:
>
> OG1M M/S CQ WW SSB (Ops. OH1VR, OH3RM, OH3WW ja OH6KZP)
>
> ZL7VR (op. OH1VR) CQ WW CW SOSB 15 LP
>
> Kisaonnea itse kullekin!
>
> 73, Seppo OH1VR
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:10:44 +0300
> From: Esa Korhonen <Esa.Korhonen at esju.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: "ccf at contesting.com" <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1FF2BB24FBED9A45B70C2E91210B31147F50E0FAEC at hermes>
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>
> T?m? vain passaa.
>
> B7P multi/multi etel?isest? Kiinasta todella kansainv?lisell? tiimill? 
> EB5BBM, IK7YTT, F4BKV, OH6RX, OH7WV, K9JKA, VR2YDC, VR2AAW, VR2KW, VR2XZK, 
> VR2YTK, BA7JA, BA7NQ, BA7IN, BA7JC, BD7MLY, BD7IXG, BD7IBS, BA7JG, BA7JS, 
> BA7IA, BD7LMD, BD7MFB, BD7KSF.
>
> Qllaan & workitaan.
>
> Haaste OH-asemille kuka p??see ensimm?isen? B7P:n lokiin kaikilla 6 
> bandilla.
>
> Esa OH7WV @BY4
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On 
> Behalf Of Seppo Sisatto
> Sent: 27. lokakuuta 2010 11:04
> To: ccf at contesting.com
> Subject: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
>
> Sirs,
>
> Vanhaan hyv??n aikaan oli tapana kertoa
> CCF:n sivuilla, ett? OH55Z on mukana CQ WW:ss?
> M/M -luokassa tms. N?ist? ilmoituksista sai
> infoa siit? kuka on mukana, kenen kanssa
> kisataan jne. En olisi pahoillani t?m?n
> k?yt?nn?n uudelleen syntymisest?.
>
> Eli:
>
> OG1M M/S CQ WW SSB (Ops. OH1VR, OH3RM, OH3WW ja OH6KZP)
>
> ZL7VR (op. OH1VR) CQ WW CW SOSB 15 LP
>
> Kisaonnea itse kullekin!
>
> 73, Seppo OH1VR
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:44:42 +0300
> From: Jukka Tarvainen <tarjuk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: "ccf at contesting.com" <ccf at contesting.com>
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> Terve!
>
> CQWW DX SSB OG4T SOAB HP Assisted, l?hinn? DXi? jahdaten.
>
> CQWW DX CW OG4T SOSB 160 m HP Assisted
>
>
> 73 GL
> Jukka OH4MFA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:30:57 +0300
> From: "Timo Klimoff" <timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <016501cb758f$c02ed960$408c8c20$@klimoff at dnainternet.net>
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>>B7P multi/multi etel?isest? Kiinasta todella kansainv?lisell? tiimill?
> EB5BBM, IK7YTT, F4BKV, OH6RX, OH7WV, K9JKA, VR2YDC, VR2AAW, VR2KW, VR2XZK,
> VR2YTK, BA7JA, BA7NQ, BA7IN, BA7JC, BD7MLY, >BD7IXG, BD7IBS, BA7JG, BA7JS,
> BA7IA, BD7LMD, BD7MFB, BD7KSF.
>
> Melko vahva suomalaisedustus kun tuo K9JKA on OH6SC:n velipoika.
>
> OH1F on ??ness? jollain sopivalla single bandilla (15m?).
> Auringonpilkkulukukin ponnahti sopivasti eilen kauden enn?tyslukemiin.
>
> "The geomagnetic field is expected to be quiet on October 27-28. On 
> October
> 29 there's a slight chance of unsettled intervals should the CME observed 
> on
> October 26 reach Earth."
>
> 73, Timo OH1NOA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:38:31 +0300
> From: Esa Korhonen <Esa.Korhonen at esju.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: "ccf at contesting.com" <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1FF2BB24FBED9A45B70C2E91210B31147F50E0FAEE at hermes>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> ">B7P multi/multi etel?isest? Kiinasta todella kansainv?lisell? tiimill?
> EB5BBM, IK7YTT, F4BKV, OH6RX, OH7WV, K9JKA, VR2YDC, VR2AAW, VR2KW, VR2XZK,
> VR2YTK, BA7JA, BA7NQ, BA7IN, BA7JC, BD7MLY, >BD7IXG, BD7IBS, BA7JG, BA7JS,
> BA7IA, BD7LMD, BD7MFB, BD7KSF.
>
> Melko vahva suomalaisedustus kun tuo K9JKA on OH6SC:n velipoika.
> 73, Timo OH1NOA"
>
>
>
> N?inp?. Tarkat silm?t NOA:lla  :-)
>
> Ilmeisesti jako menee niin ett? Jyrki 15m tiimiss?, J-P 20m tiimiss? ja 
> min? 40m tiimiss?.
>
> Esa OH7WV
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:37:44 +0300
> From: Jouni Tarvainen OH4KZM <jouni.tarvainen at pp2.inet.fi>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Kuka ja ketk? workkivat mit?kin
> To: CCF at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <4CC7C8B8.8050007 at pp2.inet.fi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
> Morjesta!
>
> CQWW DX SSB OH4KZM SOAB HP Assisted, l?hinn? DXi? jahdaten.
>
> CQWW DX CW OH4KZM SOSB 20M tai 15M ja HP tai LP paikasta riippuen :)
>
> 73 De Jouni OH4KZM
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:58:14 +0300 (EEST)
> From: Jari Jokiniemi <oh3bu at luukku.com>
> Subject: [CCF] Fw: Re: Assisted QRP?
> To: CCF at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <1288162694315.oh3bu.13102.vXgYcJ2d-hNK2r3M4RoFUg at luukku.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> H?mment?v?? mutta totta. Alla olevan Bob Coxin s?hk?postin mukaan 
> esimerkiksi sellainen luokka kuin SO40QRPAssisted on todella olemassa, 
> vaikka sit? ei kyll? s??nt?j?n lukemalla mitenk??n voisi arvata.
>
> Nyt hankkimaan pino pahveja Suomeen!
>
> -Jari
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Bob Cox <bobk3est at gmail.com> ----
>
> From:   Bob Cox <bobk3est at gmail.com>
> Date:   Wed Oct 27 09:01:35 EEST 2010
> To:     Jari Jokiniemi <oh3bu at luukku.com>
> Subject: Re: Assisted QRP?
>
> Hello Jari,
>
> Nice to hear from you. The cabrillo software is not keeping up with the
> changes. However, yes, ALL QRP assisted categories are allowed and can win 
> a
> certificate.
>
> You can choose:
> QRP
> SB (say 7MHz)
> Asssited
>
> I hope that answers your question. I am trying to work with the software
> guys. Nevertheless, we will count the chosen entrant category.
>
> Have fun!
>
> 73
> Bob, K3EST
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Jari Jokiniemi <oh3bu at luukku.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Bob,
>>
>> I read your email with a smile in my face, finally the packet 
>> restrictions
>> are lifted from Low Power and QRP classes.
>>
>> However, just to make sure, I also checked the rules. I am not a lawyer, 
>> so
>> please excuse me, if I have got it wrong, but according to my 
>> understanding
>> there is no Assisted QRP class nor Assisted Low Power Class at all.
>>
>> My understanding of rule IIIA subpoints 1, 2, 3, and 4 is that there are
>> exactly the following Single Operator classes, and no more:
>> SOABHP, SOABLP, SOABQRP, SOABAssisted,
>> SO10HP, SO10LP, SO10QRP, SO10Assisted,
>> SO15HP, SO15LP, SO15QRP, SO15Assisted,
>> SO20HP, SO20LP, SO20QRP, SO20Assisted,
>> SO40HP, SO40LP, SO40QRP, SO40Assisted,
>> SO80HP, SO80LP, SO80QRP, SO80Assisted,
>> SO160HP,SO160LP,SO160QRP,SO160Assisted.
>>
>> Can you confirm that there is no class like SO20AssistedQRP, but still an
>> award will be delivered?
>>
>> Can you please explain.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> -Jari, OH3BU
>>
>> http://www.kolumbus.fi/oh3bu/
>>
>> bobk3est at gmail.com kirjoitti 27.10.2010 kello 02:31:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Fellow contester,
>> >
>> > Many of you do not subscribe to the contest reflector or CQ magazine 
>> > and
>> > you may have missed our
>> > public announcement.  The CQ WW Contest   Committee would like to 
>> > inform
>> > you via this news letter
>> > that the ASSISTED CATEGORY award program has been greatly expanded.
>> >
>> > *  We announce the strengthening of the assisted awards program.
>> >  Starting
>> > with the 2010 CQ WW
>> > contests, the assisted category award program will be greatly expanded.
>> >
>> > *   All Low Power and QRP assisted entrants will be specifically
>> >  listed and
>> > eligible for awards as
>> > is already the case for unassisted entries.
>> >
>> > *  A band-by-band breakdown for all band assisted World, Europe and USA
>> > will be provided within the
>> > 2010 results.
>> >
>> > *  Lastly, the number of plaques available to assisted entrants will be
>> > increased to include Europe
>> > Assisted All Band and all World Assisted Single Bands.
>> >
>> > We hope that this action provides an incentive for entrants using a QSO
>> > spotting system to join the
>> > assisted category.
>> >
>> > Please make a note that the log submission deadline for SSB has
>> >  changed to
>> > Nov 21, 2010 and for CW
>> > to Dec 21, 2010.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Bob, K3EST
>> >
>> > CQ WW Director
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ....................................................................
>> Luukku Plus -paketilla p??set eroon tila- ja turvallisuusongelmista.
>> Hanki Luukku Plus ja helpotat el?m??si. http://www.mtv3.fi/luukku
>>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
> ....................................................................
> Luukku Plus -paketilla p??set eroon tila- ja turvallisuusongelmista.
> Hanki Luukku Plus ja helpotat el?m??si. http://www.mtv3.fi/luukku
> -------------- next part --------------
>
>   Hello Jari,
>   Nice to hear from you. The cabrillo software is not keeping up with the
>   changes. However, yes, ALL QRP assisted categories are allowed and can 
> win a
>   certificate.
>   You can choose:
>   QRP
>   SB (say 7MHz)
>   Asssited
>   I hope that answers your question. I am trying to work with the software
>   guys. Nevertheless, we will count the chosen entrant category.
>   Have fun!
>   73
>   Bob, K3EST
>
>   On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Jari Jokiniemi <[1]oh3bu at luukku.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hello Bob,
>     I read your email with a smile in my face, finally the packet 
> restrictions
>     are lifted from Low Power and QRP classes.
>     However, just to make sure, I also checked the rules. I am not a 
> lawyer,
>     so  please  excuse  me, if I have got it wrong, but according to my
>     understanding there is no Assisted QRP class nor Assisted Low Power 
> Class
>     at all.
>     My understanding of rule IIIA subpoints 1, 2, 3, and 4 is that there 
> are
>     exactly the following Single Operator classes, and no more:
>     SOABHP, SOABLP, SOABQRP, SOABAssisted,
>     SO10HP, SO10LP, SO10QRP, SO10Assisted,
>     SO15HP, SO15LP, SO15QRP, SO15Assisted,
>     SO20HP, SO20LP, SO20QRP, SO20Assisted,
>     SO40HP, SO40LP, SO40QRP, SO40Assisted,
>     SO80HP, SO80LP, SO80QRP, SO80Assisted,
>     SO160HP,SO160LP,SO160QRP,SO160Assisted.
>     Can you confirm that there is no class like SO20AssistedQRP, but still 
> an
>     award will be delivered?
>     Can you please explain.
>     73
>     -Jari, OH3BU
>     [2]http://www.kolumbus.fi/oh3bu/
>     [3]bobk3est at gmail.com kirjoitti 27.10.2010 kello 02:31:
>     >
>     >
>     > Dear Fellow contester,
>     >
>     > Many of you do not subscribe to the contest reflector or CQ magazine 
> and
>     > you may have missed our
>     > public announcement.  The CQ WW Contest   Committee would like to 
> inform
>     > you via this news letter
>     > that the ASSISTED CATEGORY award program has been greatly expanded.
>     >
>     > *  We announce the strengthening of the assisted awards program.
>     >  Starting
>     > with the 2010 CQ WW
>     > contests, the assisted category award program will be greatly 
> expanded.
>     >
>     > *   All Low Power and QRP assisted entrants will be specifically
>     >  listed and
>     > eligible for awards as
>     > is already the case for unassisted entries.
>     >
>     > *  A band-by-band breakdown for all band assisted World, Europe and 
> USA
>     > will be provided within the
>     > 2010 results.
>     >
>     > *  Lastly, the number of plaques available to assisted entrants will 
> be
>     > increased to include Europe
>     > Assisted All Band and all World Assisted Single Bands.
>     >
>     > We hope that this action provides an incentive for entrants using a 
> QSO
>     > spotting system to join the
>     > assisted category.
>     >
>     > Please make a note that the log submission deadline for SSB has
>     >  changed to
>     > Nov 21, 2010 and for CW
>     > to Dec 21, 2010.
>     >
>     > 73,
>     >
>     > Bob, K3EST
>     >
>     > CQ WW Director
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     ....................................................................
>     Luukku Plus -paketilla p????set eroon tila- ja turvallisuusongelmista.
>     Hanki Luukku Plus ja helpotat el??m????si. 
> [4]http://www.mtv3.fi/luukku
>
> References
>
>   1. mailto:oh3bu at luukku.com
>   2. http://www.kolumbus.fi/oh3bu/
>   3. mailto:bobk3est at gmail.com
>   4. http://www.mtv3.fi/luukku
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:01:13 +0200
> From: <jari.talkara at nokia.com>
> Subject: [CCF] Asssisted Catagory in CQWW expanded
> To: <ccf at contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <64044B7AAB00094D9AE67759CB27A38A296080A4DD at NOK-EUMSG-03.mgdnok.nokia.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Fellow contester,
> Many of you do not subscribe to the contest reflector or CQ magazine and 
> you may have missed our public announcement.  The CQ WW Contest Committee 
> would like to inform you via this news letter that the ASSISTED CATEGORY 
> award program has been greatly expanded.
> ?  We announce the strengthening of the assisted awards program. Starting 
> with the 2010 CQ WW contests, the assisted category award program will be 
> greatly expanded.
> ?   All Low Power and QRP assisted entrants will be specifically listed 
> and eligible for awards as is already the case for unassisted entries.
> ?  A band-by-band breakdown for all band assisted World, Europe and USA 
> will be provided within the 2010 results.
> ?  Lastly, the number of plaques available to assisted entrants will be 
> increased to include Europe Assisted All Band and all World Assisted 
> Single Bands.
> We hope that this action provides an incentive for entrants using a QSO 
> spotting system to join the assisted category.
> Please make a note that the log submission deadline for SSB has changed to 
> Nov 21, 2010 and for CW to Dec 21, 2010.
> 73,
> Bob, K3EST
> CQ WW Director
>
> ------------------------------
>
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