[CCF] [TOEC] Q on SAC rules "ENN ###"

Tue Sep 13 11:28:39 PDT 2011

The adjustment of the speed to that both QRQ BIG GUNS and the QRS small
pistols can copy both the call and the exchange is a thrilling challenge
that requires quite awake operators... so I am not so sure if it so easy to
say that "I am not responsible for the other stations miscopying"....

I personally do not see the "CONS" in the Russian school of log checking....
and also not the advantages in the US approach.  Can someone enlight me a
bit?

73 de Mats

2011/9/13 Toni Lindén <oh2ua at oh2u.com>

> Hi All!
>
> There's two sided on this one.
>
> I agree with Mats and "Mats way" is the way what e.g. Russian DX
> Contest and WRTC uses. So good contact is a contact where both
> stations logs the QSO correct.
>
> On the other hand, some might say that one cannot be in responsible if
> the station he's working is not getting the exchange or call correct.
> This is the typical approach of North American organizers (CQWW,
> CQWPX...).
>
> I can't say what's the right way (and I guess there's not "the right
> way"), but either of methods have pros and cons.
>
> One the first one can the QSO be OK if other party have logged wrong
> callsing? But how can I make sure that he have copied me correct if
> I'm calling CQ and he's coming back to me. Or how can I be sure that
> exchange is correct. Of course I can send as slow as possible and try
> to be clear. But still, can it be my responsibility that someone on
> the other side of the World copies me correct?
>
> One the second one I can send code with 50WPM and "just let it go",
> just how Mats pointed out. But accuracy of my log is on my hands in
> this approach.
>
> Well, never mind. Just know the rules and play according them ;)
>
>
> 73 de Toni, OH2UA
>
>
> 2011/9/13 Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr at gmail.com>:
> > Hello Kim!
> >
> > Thanks for adding the FAQ to the rules section.
> >
> > Both answers were clear and there is no confusion anymore about what
> causes
> > a penalty.
> >
> > For this year, it is just to play according to the rules....
> >
> > HIGH speed, make sure to copy the other station's call, RST and serial
> > number, and take a micronap when you send your 599 ### to the other
> station.
> > If your speed was too high, there is a chance that the other station will
> > ask for your call or serial number again. If no questions, don´t worry -
> he
> > might have got your call, the report and the serial number ok - or not...
> > For you, it does not matter, because no penalties as long as "you are in
> the
> > log".
> >
> > My only question is... how many letters of my callsign must the opposite
> > station have copied correctly for me "to be in the log"?  A few missed
> > letters obviously does not matter, as long has he is in my log correctly.
> >
> > This can not be a proper way to check contest logs in the 21st century,
> when
> > automatic cross-checking of all QSOs is quite possible...
> >
> > 73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/13 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi>
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've added a brief "Frequently Asked Questions" part after
> >> the official rules at http://www.sactest.net, covering this
> >> and another question that was received. I'm copying the
> >> text also here below and hoping that it clarifies the matter.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Kim OH6KZP
> >> --------------------
> >>
> >> Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
> >>
> >> Q: Do special prefixes such as OZ700 or OH25 count as their own
> multipliers
> >> for non-Scandinavians?
> >>
> >> A: No. The example prefixes count as OZ7 and OH2.
> >>
> >>
> >> Q: How is a log penalized in the logchecking process?
> >>
> >> A: You lose all points (and the multiplier, if applicable) from a
> specific
> >> QSO by miscopying the other station's callsign ("Busted"), RST, or
> serial
> >> number ("Exchange error"), or by not being in the log of the other
> station
> >> ("Not in log"). However, any multiplier lost in this manner is
> compensated
> >> if there is a later correct QSO that gives the same multiplier. You do
> not
> >> lose points for a copying mistake (call/RST/nr) made by the other
> station.
> >> ---------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Ilkka Korpela
> >> Sent: 12. syyskuuta 2011 20:14
> >> To: ccf at contesting.com; toec at contesting.com; oh6kzp at sral.fi
> >> Subject: [CCF] Q on SAC rules "ENN ###"
> >>
> >> Hello all
> >>
> >>   I have been wondering about the strategy concerning my SAC operating.
> >>
> >>   Namely, one thing always to consider is your TX speed, and how to abb-
> >>   reviate the numbers, to make communication faster.
> >>
> >>   Now, if you do it OH8PF-style (a concept from the 1980s, early 1990s),
> >>   the speed is very fast, extremely fast. This assures high rates.
> >>   This strategy is very good, if you are not sanctioned for errors in
> >>   the other log.
> >>
> >>   Now, I expected the rules to say something about the accuracy checking
> >>   and about the way (math) score is reduced by incomplete QSOs. They
> don't
> >>   seem to. I know that there is SM2EZT's software to check the Qs, but
> what
> >>   are the (implicit, explicit) logics in it? I.e. the rules on valid
> QSOs?
> >>
> >>   We also have the PU! accuracy trophies. They will be based on relative
> >> (%)
> >>   score reduction. How are Qsos, points and multipliers lost in SM2EZTs
> >>   software?
> >>
> >>   Or am I just, as usual, missing a point/web-page somewhere?
> >>
> >>   BR ilkka, OH1WZ
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ilkka Korpela
> >> http://www.helsinki.fi/~korpela
> >>
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