[CCF] OH Country rank WRTC 2012
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Tue Aug 14 13:06:57 PDT 2012
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Area
rank Operator Qualification
points Counted
contest
entries Country
rank
1 [TL] ES5TV 11150.00 12 #1 ES
2 [TL] ES2RR 9939.59 12 #2 ES
3 ES5RY 9648.30 12 #3 ES
4 [TL] LY6A 8848.90 12 #1 LY
5 [TL] OH2UA 8687.24 10 #1 OH
6 YL2KL 7895.70 12 #1 YL
7 LY9A 7851.00 11 #2 LY
8 YL1ZF 7464.17 11 #2 YL
9 LY9Y 7310.72 12 #3 LY
10 OH6KZP 7197.66 11 #2 OH
11 SM2LIY 7170.30 12 #1 SM
12 YL2SM 6774.49 12 #3 YL
13 YL3DW 6530.41 9 #4 YL
14 LY5W 6203.24 12 #4 LY
15 OH6UM 5730.14 7 #3 OH
16 ES2DW 5700.00 6 #4 ES
17 SM2WMV 5657.55 8 #2 SM
18 LY1SR 5622.78 9 #5 LY
19 ES5GP 5500.00 6 #5 ES
20 LY8O 5078.72 9 #6 LY
21 ES5JR 5012.51 8 #6 ES
22 LY4L 5009.32 9 #7 LY
23 OH2PM 4904.45 8 #4 OH
24 OH7WV 4871.28 6 #5 OH
25 YL2KO 4785.86 12 #5 YL
26 OH6LI 4758.77 12 #6 OH
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> 1. WAE DX CW (Kari Korhonen)
> 2. Fw: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition (Tomi Ylinen)
> 3. Re: Fw: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition (Hannu S?il?)
> 4. Tiedoksi: Viitosten Syysottelu 2012 on 3.11.2012 (Pertti Paalanen)
> 5. Re: CQ WW 2011 tuloksiin liittyen (Jukka Klemola)
> 6. Re: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition (SM5AJV)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:52:13 +0300
> From: "Kari Korhonen" <kari.korhonen at kymp.net>
> Subject: [CCF] WAE DX CW
> To: <ccf at contesting.com>
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> Sporadista workkimista samalla, kun kasasin id?n suunnan tribanderia. Mukava tapa testata, saa heti tuntumaa. Monen DX:n QTC-koneet panivat vauhdillaan vanhat aivot koetukselle, hi. 73 de Kari 5TS
>
> WAE DX Contest, CW
>
> Call: OH5TS
> Operator(s): OH5TS
> Station: OH5TS
>
> Class: Single Op LP
> QTH:
> Operating Time (hrs):
> Summary:
> Band QSOs QTCs Mults
> -------------------------
> 80: 23 19 11
> 40: 48 14 24
> 20: 156 234 55
> 15: 132 179 56
> 10: 11 10 9
> -------------------------
> Total: 367 456 356 Total Score = 292,988
>
> Club: Contest Club Finland
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:23:17 +0300 (EEST)
> From: Tomi Ylinen <tomi.ylinen at luukku.com>
> Subject: [CCF] Fw: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition
> To: ccf at contesting.com
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> <1344943397587.tomi.ylinen.41629.uHdb9v3yEtwqYwCFZUnx0Q at luukku.com>
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> N??mm? asiat on mahdollista n?hd? monella tapaa...
>
> t T
>
> ----- Forwarded message from SM3PZG <sm3pzg at lsg.se> ----
>
> From: SM3PZG <sm3pzg at lsg.se>
> Date: Tue Aug 14 00:09:57 EEST 2012
> To: SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>
> Cc: toec at contesting.com
> Subject: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic fundamentals in all competition
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I feel that the Landskamp in the SAC contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition and that is opponents should from start be
> equal in strength to make the competition as fair as possible. This
> fundamental fault just gives the contest a ridicules on unserious impression
> and something not to take seriously.
>
> In all individual sports great effort is taken to match opponents according
> to skills, experience and strength to make a fair match. Same in team
> competitions. In competitions between nations every nation sends their best
> players and they are proud the represent their country and of course make a
> 100% effort and go the distance.
>
> With the Olympic games in mind we don?t send ALL active swimmers or ALL
> active runners to the competition, we only send the ones that are qualified
> and that can make a honorable effort. Same in the Finnkamp only first,
> second and third place count for points.
>
> In Sweden all hams are encourage to make just a few qsos and send in the log
> just to beat the Finns. It doesn't matter that everyone knows we have many
> more hams then OH not to mention OZ and LA. If we have 100 logs and the
> Finns only 40 logs and the Danish send 20 logs and the Norwegians send 10
> logs should we be proud to win over the Finns? Should we be proud to beat OZ
> and LA? Why are OZ and LA not mention in pre-contest discussion? How does OZ
> and LA feel about this Landskamp? It simply does not make sense and looks
> ridicules.
>
> A simple solution to the problem would be easy, just DRAW a LINE in the
> scoreboard. For example the SOAB category only the TOP 5 stations count in
> the Landskamp. This would have 3 very big benefits. First the competitions
> would be FAIR, second OZ and LA would be able to compete on the same terms
> as OH and SM. Third this would open up for a qualifying competition within
> each country to be one of the five stations to represent their nation and
> would most likely make more stations go the limit and make a better effort.
> Of course the complete scoreboard should be publish but results only count
> inside each nation.
>
> The only discussions the contest committee would have is to were to draw the
> lines in each category. The rule itself would be very easy to implement.
>
> So this is my suggestions on how to make the SAC and the Landskamp a fair
> and equal contest for all Scandinavian countries and a contest to take
> seriously. And who knows this rule might even make TF activate 5 stations
>
> Looking forward to some serious responses
>
> 73/Sam SM3PZG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> From: SM5AJV
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:01 AM
> To: Mats Strandberg
> Cc: SM5AJV ; toec at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Val av lag till SAC 2012 National Team Contesting
>
> Tack f?r ett bra f?rslag!
>
> Jag f?resl?r f?ljande deadlines f?r intresseanm?lan.
>
>
> CW: 3/9
> SSB: 1/10
>
> Intresseanm?lan kan skickas till mig via email.
>
> Finns det n?gon hugad, som kan t?nka sig ing? i den informella
> kommitt?n? N?gon i SSA styrelse + n?gon ytterligare?
>
> 73
> Ingemar SM5AJV
>
>
> > Hej Ingemar!
> >
> > Uttagningen borde enligt mitt menande g? till enligt f?ljande:
> >
> > G?r reklam f?r den nya parallellt?vligen och uppmana alla som ?nskar delta
> > i n?gon av de fyra klasserna (uppdelat p? b?da helgerna) anm?la sitt
> > intresse. Ange deadline f?r intresseanm?lan.
> >
> > Skapa en liten informell kommitte som sedan tillsammans argumenterar och
> > r?star fram det lag som vi ska t?vla med.
> >
> > Kriterier f?r urvalet b?r baseras p? t?vlingsm?ssiga grunder och
> > m?ls?ttningen m?ste vara att vi B?DE ska vinna landskampen och
> > lagt?vligen.
> > Allts?, stationer med b?st f?res?ttningar och mest motivation att vinna
> > f?r
> > SM v?ljs.
> >
> > Hur kan man avg?ra detta?
> >
> > Kombination av:
> >
> > 1. Tidigare placering p? 10 i skandinaviska topplistan senaste ?ren i SAC
> > 2. Stationsprestanda
> > 3. Operat?rsskicklighet
> > 4. Geografisk placering (beror ju ganska mycket vilken typ av konditioner
> > vi f?r givetvis)
> >
> > Genom att tydligt f?rklara att detta ?r en alternativ t?vling i
> > t?vligenen,
> > kvarst?r fortfarande den traditionella t?vlingen som den viktigaste. I den
> > ?r ALLA resultat v?rdefulla och med den motiveringen b?r man kunna b?de
> > k?ra en elitsatning i Teamt?vlingen och en folkr?relse i den vanliga
> > Scandinavian Cup.
> >
> > 73 de LRR, Mats
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Den 10 augusti 2012 10:45 skrev SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>:
> >
> >> Hej!
> >>
> >> Inf?r h?stens SAC har vi, som annonserats tidigare, introducerat ett
> >> f?rs?k i "National Team Contesting". Reglerna f?r detta finns p?
> >> http://sactest.net/blog/rules/national-team-contesting-trial-sac-2012/
> >>
> >> Hur lagen i respektive land v?ljs ?r upp till varje nationellt f?rbund
> >>
> >> Ett lag best?r av 6 stationer:
> >>
> >> 2 Single Op Multi Band High Power
> >> 2 Single Op Multi Band Low Power
> >> 1 Single Op Multi Band Low Power Tribander/Single Element
> >> 1 Multi Op Single TX entrant
> >>
> >> F?r att kunna delta beh?ver man ha en uppkoppling till cqcontest.ru.
> >> Hur detta skall g? till i detalj, kommer SAC CC presentera senare.
> >> Men i princip ?r det:
> >>
> >> * Realtime scoring, d.v.s logprogrammet rapporterar summary sheet till
> >> cqcontest.ru med j?mna mellanrum. Se vidare http://cqcontest.ru
> >> d?r instruktioner finns hur man g?r i respektive loggprogram.
> >>
> >> * Realtime video/audio. P? cqcontest.ru kan man ocks? ansluta str?mmande
> >> video och ljud och "?sk?daren" kan v?lja tv? stationer att f?lja p?
> >> sk?rmen.
> >>
> >>
> >> Men, hur vill vi att uttagningen av Sveriges lag skall g? till?
> >> Fritt fram att tycka till h?r p? reflektorn!
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Ingemar SM5AJV
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:44 +0300
> From: Hannu S?il? <hannu.saila at mbnet.fi>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Fw: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the
> basic fundamentals in all competition
> To: ccf at contesting.com
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> So
> From Scandinavia should be only 5 participants from each league. That
> would 20 - 30 participants. What would the non-Scandinavians work? Let
> me laugh.
> Make it a bit more serious business and it will totally end.
> PS. The sports is never fair play as long as some competitors are better
> skilled than other people.
> Hannu OH3WW
> 14.8.2012 14:23, Tomi Ylinen kirjoitti:
> > N??mm? asiat on mahdollista n?hd? monella tapaa...
> >
> > t T
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from SM3PZG <sm3pzg at lsg.se> ----
> >
> > From: SM3PZG <sm3pzg at lsg.se>
> > Date: Tue Aug 14 00:09:57 EEST 2012
> > To: SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>
> > Cc: toec at contesting.com
> > Subject: [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic fundamentals in all competition
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I feel that the Landskamp in the SAC contest is violating the basic
> > fundamentals in all competition and that is opponents should from start be
> > equal in strength to make the competition as fair as possible. This
> > fundamental fault just gives the contest a ridicules on unserious impression
> > and something not to take seriously.
> >
> > In all individual sports great effort is taken to match opponents according
> > to skills, experience and strength to make a fair match. Same in team
> > competitions. In competitions between nations every nation sends their best
> > players and they are proud the represent their country and of course make a
> > 100% effort and go the distance.
> >
> > With the Olympic games in mind we don?t send ALL active swimmers or ALL
> > active runners to the competition, we only send the ones that are qualified
> > and that can make a honorable effort. Same in the Finnkamp only first,
> > second and third place count for points.
> >
> > In Sweden all hams are encourage to make just a few qsos and send in the log
> > just to beat the Finns. It doesn't matter that everyone knows we have many
> > more hams then OH not to mention OZ and LA. If we have 100 logs and the
> > Finns only 40 logs and the Danish send 20 logs and the Norwegians send 10
> > logs should we be proud to win over the Finns? Should we be proud to beat OZ
> > and LA? Why are OZ and LA not mention in pre-contest discussion? How does OZ
> > and LA feel about this Landskamp? It simply does not make sense and looks
> > ridicules.
> >
> > A simple solution to the problem would be easy, just DRAW a LINE in the
> > scoreboard. For example the SOAB category only the TOP 5 stations count in
> > the Landskamp. This would have 3 very big benefits. First the competitions
> > would be FAIR, second OZ and LA would be able to compete on the same terms
> > as OH and SM. Third this would open up for a qualifying competition within
> > each country to be one of the five stations to represent their nation and
> > would most likely make more stations go the limit and make a better effort.
> > Of course the complete scoreboard should be publish but results only count
> > inside each nation.
> >
> > The only discussions the contest committee would have is to were to draw the
> > lines in each category. The rule itself would be very easy to implement
> >
> > So this is my suggestions on how to make the SAC and the Landskamp a fair
> > and equal contest for all Scandinavian countries and a contest to take
> > seriously. And who knows this rule might even make TF activate 5 stations.
> >
> > Looking forward to some serious responses
> >
> > 73/Sam SM3PZG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> > From: SM5AJV
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:01 AM
> > To: Mats Strandberg
> > Cc: SM5AJV ; toec at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [TOEC] Val av lag till SAC 2012 National Team Contesting
> >
> > Tack f?r ett bra f?rslag!
> >
> > Jag f?resl?r f?ljande deadlines f?r intresseanm?lan.
> >
> >
> > CW: 3/9
> > SSB: 1/10
> >
> > Intresseanm?lan kan skickas till mig via email.
> >
> > Finns det n?gon hugad, som kan t?nka sig ing? i den informella
> > kommitt?n? N?gon i SSA styrelse + n?gon ytterligare?
> >
> > 73
> > Ingemar SM5AJV
> >
> >
> >> Hej Ingemar!
> >>
> >> Uttagningen borde enligt mitt menande g? till enligt f?ljande:
> >>
> >> G?r reklam f?r den nya parallellt?vligen och uppmana alla som ?nskar delta
> >> i n?gon av de fyra klasserna (uppdelat p? b?da helgerna) anm?la sitt
> >> intresse. Ange deadline f?r intresseanm?lan.
> >>
> >> Skapa en liten informell kommitte som sedan tillsammans argumenterar och
> >> r?star fram det lag som vi ska t?vla med.
> >>
> >> Kriterier f?r urvalet b?r baseras p? t?vlingsm?ssiga grunder och
> >> m?ls?ttningen m?ste vara att vi B?DE ska vinna landskampen och
> >> lagt?vligen.
> >> Allts?, stationer med b?st f?res?ttningar och mest motivation att vinna
> >> f?r
> >> SM v?ljs.
> >>
> >> Hur kan man avg?ra detta?
> >>
> >> Kombination av:
> >>
> >> 1. Tidigare placering p? 10 i skandinaviska topplistan senaste ?ren i SAC
> >> 2. Stationsprestanda
> >> 3. Operat?rsskicklighet
> >> 4. Geografisk placering (beror ju ganska mycket vilken typ av konditioner
> >> vi f?r givetvis)
> >>
> >> Genom att tydligt f?rklara att detta ?r en alternativ t?vling i
> >> t?vligenen,
> >> kvarst?r fortfarande den traditionella t?vlingen som den viktigaste. I den
> >> ?r ALLA resultat v?rdefulla och med den motiveringen b?r man kunna b?de
> >> k?ra en elitsatning i Teamt?vlingen och en folkr?relse i den vanliga
> >> Scandinavian Cup.
> >>
> >> 73 de LRR, Mats
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Den 10 augusti 2012 10:45 skrev SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>:
> >>
> >>> Hej!
> >>>
> >>> Inf?r h?stens SAC har vi, som annonserats tidigare, introducerat ett
> >>> f?rs?k i "National Team Contesting". Reglerna f?r detta finns p?
> >>> http://sactest.net/blog/rules/national-team-contesting-trial-sac-2012/
> >>>
> >>> Hur lagen i respektive land v?ljs ?r upp till varje nationellt f?rbund.
> >>>
> >>> Ett lag best?r av 6 stationer:
> >>>
> >>> 2 Single Op Multi Band High Power
> >>> 2 Single Op Multi Band Low Power
> >>> 1 Single Op Multi Band Low Power Tribander/Single Element
> >>> 1 Multi Op Single TX entrant
> >>>
> >>> F?r att kunna delta beh?ver man ha en uppkoppling till cqcontest.ru.
> >>> Hur detta skall g? till i detalj, kommer SAC CC presentera senare.
> >>> Men i princip ?r det:
> >>>
> >>> * Realtime scoring, d.v.s logprogrammet rapporterar summary sheet till
> >>> cqcontest.ru med j?mna mellanrum. Se vidare http://cqcontest.ru
> >>> d?r instruktioner finns hur man g?r i respektive loggprogram.
> >>>
> >>> * Realtime video/audio. P? cqcontest.ru kan man ocks? ansluta str?mmande
> >>> video och ljud och "?sk?daren" kan v?lja tv? stationer att f?lja p?
> >>> sk?rmen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Men, hur vill vi att uttagningen av Sveriges lag skall g? till?
> >>> Fritt fram att tycka till h?r p? reflektorn!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>> Ingemar SM5AJV
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:17:40 +0000
> From: Pertti Paalanen <pertti.oh5tq at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CCF] Tiedoksi: Viitosten Syysottelu 2012 on 3.11.2012
> To: ccf at contesting.com
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> Lis?? RA 10/2012 ja ennen SRAL kisakalenterissa, ja postituslistoilla.
>
> J?rjest?misvuorossa
> Elim?en Radiomat??rikerho OH5AE /OH5R
>
> 73, Pertti OH5TQ
> http://perttioh5tq.blogspot.com
> skype on
> oh5tq at sral.fi
> Kotisivut
> http://tupala.mine.nu/oh5tq
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:20:17 +0300
> From: Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] CQ WW 2011 tuloksiin liittyen
> To: ccf at contesting.com
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>
> Tulokset ovat nyt netiss?.
>
> "News just arrived from CQ that the corrected, official final CQ WW
> SSB results are now posted. Paraphrasing a recent CQ release:
> "Corrected scores for the SSB weekend are now posted on the CQ
> magazine website, cq-amateur-radio.com. Corrected scores for the CW
> weekend will be planned to coincide with the release of the September
> digital edition, on or around September 1, 2012."
>
> Raportit p?ivittyv?t p?iv?ss?-parissa.
>
> Osallistuneille toimitetut raportin access koodit toimivat; ainoastaan
> raporttien sis?lt?ihin saattaa tulla muutoksia.
>
>
> Kenenk??n kilpailutulos ei laskenut t?ss? prosessissa.
> Jos jollakulla skoore muuttui, se muuttui yl?sp?in !
>
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
>
> 13. elokuuta 2012 21.37 Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com> kirjoitti:
> > SSB tulokset julkaistaan t?ll? viikolla cqww.com sivuilla; tietekonevirheest?
> > johtuen t?n? vuonna etuajassa.
> >
> > Itse kukin saa tarkkuusraportin p?ivitettyn? melkolailla samaan aikaan.
> >
> >
> > CW tulokset tulevat syyskuun ensimm?isell? viikolla webiin.
> >
> >
> > CQWW SSB Contest: 0000Z October 27 through 2359Z October 28 2012
> > CQWW CW Contest: 0000Z November 24 through 2359Z November 25 2012
> >
> > Suurin uudistus s??nn?iss? on, ett? lokit pyydet??n viidess? p?iv?ss?
> > kilpailusta.
> > Toivomme n?in ihmisten muistavan l?hett?? lokinsa.
> > Jos lokien j?tt?aika on kovin pitk?, asia tuppaa unohtumaan.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Jukka OH6LI
> >
> >
> > 13. elokuuta 2012 13.39 Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com> kirjoitti:
> >> Terve kaikki.
> >>
> >> CQWW 2011 tulokset muuttuvat joidenkin osalta hieman t?ll? hetkell?
> >> esill? olevista tuloksista.
> >> Jos jonkun tulos muuttuu, muutos on yleens? prosentin osien luokkaa.
> >> L?hesk??n kaikkien tulokset eiv?t muutu lainkaan.
> >>
> >> Virhe havaittiin CQWW kilpailukomitean sis?isiss? keskusteluissa.
> >>
> >> Ote K3EST s?hk?postista:
> >>> The corrected, new SSB results yielded:
> >>> Only one certificate change out of ~1300 awarded was found!!
> >>> Only 11 position changes in the Top Score Box and none among the top three places.
> >>> No changes in trophy box
> >>> Only 1 change in Top zone box...only position.
> >>> Only 1 change in Band-by band...only position.
> >>> The write-up remains unchanged.
> >>
> >> Yksi awardi muuttui noin 1300 jaetusta awardista.
> >> Trophyt ja ykk?stilat pysyv?t muuttumattomina.
> >>
> >> Kyseess? on ohjelmointivirhe, joka korjattiin heti kun se havaittiin.
> >> 2011 tulokset tehd??n kokonaan uudestaan ja laitetaan cqww.com sivuille esille.
> >>
> >> Muutokset tuloksiin tulevat cqww.com sivuille seuraavien CQ Magazine
> >> lehtien postittamisen j?lkeen..
> >> Samoin, ty?skentelyn tarkkuuden raportit saavat uuden sis?ll?n
> >> sivuilla http://cqww.com/cq-ww-ssb-2011.php ja
> >> http://cqww.com/cq-ww-cw-2011.php
> >>
> >>
> >> Minun n?k?kulmastani katsoen t?m? on osoitus CQ organisaation halusta
> >> toimia parhaalla mahdollisella tavalla, olkoot tulosmuutokset miten
> >> pieni? tahansa.
> >>
> >>
> >> Min? vastaan mielell?ni CQWW ja muihin CQ kilpailuihin liittyviin
> >> kysymyksiin suomeksi.
> >> Englanniksi CQWW kilpailuun liittyvist? asioista voi tiedustella
> >> osoitteesta questions at cqww.com.
> >>
> >>
> >> www.cqww.com
> >>
> >> CQWW SSB Contest: 0000Z October 27 through 2359Z October 28 2012
> >> CQWW CW Contest: 0000Z November 24 through 2359Z November 25 2012
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Jukka OH6LI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:17:48 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at qrq.se>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic
> fundamentals in all competition
> To: "SM3PZG" <sm3pzg at lsg.se>
> Cc: ccf at contesting.com, toec at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <7662f9ba26daa7b1016470099dd523e4.squirrel at webmail2.webbhotellsgruppense>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi SAM!
>
> Thanks for your input on this.
>
> I don't share the same view on the Scandinavian Cup. One of the driving
> forces for little-pistols is, that even if I make a handful of QSO's
> I am contributing to my country's score - i.e. I won't win anything
> but my QSO's was one little tiny bit of the final country score.
>
> I believe your suggestion may lead to less activity and that is boring
> for ALL participants. The last years the Scandinavians increased our
> activity and that in turn, that will raise the activity from outside Scandinavia.
> We have more than tripled the activity if you look back 10 years.
> See the statistics on http://sactest.net/blog/statistics/
>
> It's not necessarily so that the country with most hams will always
> win. Finland has shown that for almost 40 years.
>
> >From IARU you can pick some statistics on licensed operators (2000)
>
> Sweden 10817
> Denmark 10060
> Finland 5900
> Norway 5302
>
> So there is no reason why any of the Nordic countries could win
> the Scandinavian Cup, if you count the number of operators. But of
> course there are lot of other factors to take account for, space,
> antennas, fighting spirit etc.
>
> I am not sure if you is aware of this years trial:
> National Team Contesting Trial. You can read the rules at
> http://sactest.net/blog/rules/national-team-contesting-trial-sac-2012
>
> The NTC will be a trial and an addition to the current Scandinavian Cup.
> After this year's SAC we will evaluate how the trial went and hopefully
> make some wise conclusions.
>
> 73
> Ingo SM5AJV
> SAC CC Teamleader
>
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I feel that the Landskamp in the SAC contest is violating the basic
> > fundamentals in all competition and that is opponents should from start be
> > equal in strength to make the competition as fair as possible. This
> > fundamental fault just gives the contest a ridicules on unserious impression
> > and something not to take seriously.
> >
> > In all individual sports great effort is taken to match opponents according
> > to skills, experience and strength to make a fair match. Same in team
> > competitions. In competitions between nations every nation sends their best
> > players and they are proud the represent their country and of course make a
> > 100% effort and go the distance.
> >
> > With the Olympic games in mind we don???t send ALL active swimmers or ALL
> > active runners to the competition, we only send the ones that are qualified
> > and that can make a honorable effort. Same in the Finnkamp only first,
> > second and third place count for points.
> >
> > In Sweden all hams are encourage to make just a few qsos and send in the log
> > just to beat the Finns. It doesn't matter that everyone knows we have many
> > more hams then OH not to mention OZ and LA. If we have 100 logs and the
> > Finns only 40 logs and the Danish send 20 logs and the Norwegians send 10
> > logs should we be proud to win over the Finns? Should we be proud to beat OZ
> > and LA? Why are OZ and LA not mention in pre-contest discussion? How does OZ
> > and LA feel about this Landskamp? It simply does not make sense and looks
> > ridicules.
> >
> > A simple solution to the problem would be easy, just DRAW a LINE in the
> > scoreboard. For example the SOAB category only the TOP 5 stations count in
> > the Landskamp. This would have 3 very big benefits. First the competitions
> > would be FAIR, second OZ and LA would be able to compete on the same terms
> > as OH and SM. Third this would open up for a qualifying competition within
> > each country to be one of the five stations to represent their nation and
> > would most likely make more stations go the limit and make a better effort.
> > Of course the complete scoreboard should be publish but results only count
> > inside each nation.
> >
> > The only discussions the contest committee would have is to were to draw the
> > lines in each category. The rule itself would be very easy to implement
> >
> > So this is my suggestions on how to make the SAC and the Landskamp a fair
> > and equal contest for all Scandinavian countries and a contest to take
> > seriously. And who knows this rule might even make TF activate 5 stations.
> >
> > Looking forward to some serious responses
> >
> > 73/Sam SM3PZG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> > From: SM5AJV
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:01 AM
> > To: Mats Strandberg
> > Cc: SM5AJV ; toec at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [TOEC] Val av lag till SAC 2012 National Team Contesting
> >
> > Tack f??r ett bra f??rslag!
> >
> > Jag f??resl??r f??ljande deadlines f??r intresseanm??lan.
> >
> >
> > CW: 3/9
> > SSB: 1/10
> >
> > Intresseanm??lan kan skickas till mig via email.
> >
> > Finns det n??gon hugad, som kan t??nka sig ing?? i den informella
> > kommitt??n? N??gon i SSA styrelse + n??gon ytterligare?
> >
> > 73
> > Ingemar SM5AJV
> >
> >
> >> Hej Ingemar!
> >>
> >> Uttagningen borde enligt mitt menande g?? till enligt f??ljande:
> >>
> >> G??r reklam f??r den nya parallellt??vligen och uppmana alla som ??nskar delta
> >> i n??gon av de fyra klasserna (uppdelat p?? b??da helgerna) anm??la sitt
> >> intresse. Ange deadline f??r intresseanm??lan.
> >>
> >> Skapa en liten informell kommitte som sedan tillsammans argumenterar och
> >> r??star fram det lag som vi ska t??vla med.
> >>
> >> Kriterier f??r urvalet b??r baseras p?? t??vlingsm??ssiga grunder och
> >> m??ls??ttningen m??ste vara att vi B??DE ska vinna landskampen och
> >> lagt??vligen.
> >> Allts??, stationer med b??st f??res??ttningar och mest motivation att vinna
> >> f??r
> >> SM v??ljs.
> >>
> >> Hur kan man avg??ra detta?
> >>
> >> Kombination av:
> >>
> >> 1. Tidigare placering p?? 10 i skandinaviska topplistan senaste ??ren i SAC
> >> 2. Stationsprestanda
> >> 3. Operat??rsskicklighet
> >> 4. Geografisk placering (beror ju ganska mycket vilken typ av konditioner
> >> vi f??r givetvis)
> >>
> >> Genom att tydligt f??rklara att detta ??r en alternativ t??vling i
> >> t??vligenen,
> >> kvarst??r fortfarande den traditionella t??vlingen som den viktigaste. I den
> >> ??r ALLA resultat v??rdefulla och med den motiveringen b??r man kunna b??de
> >> k??ra en elitsatning i Teamt??vlingen och en folkr??relse i den vanliga
> >> Scandinavian Cup.
> >>
> >> 73 de LRR, Mats
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Den 10 augusti 2012 10:45 skrev SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>:
> >>
> >>> Hej!
> >>>
> >>> Inf??r h??stens SAC har vi, som annonserats tidigare, introducerat ett
> >>> f??rs??k i "National Team Contesting". Reglerna f??r detta finns p??
> >>> http://sactest.net/blog/rules/national-team-contesting-trial-sac-2012/
> >>>
> >>> Hur lagen i respektive land v??ljs ??r upp till varje nationellt f??rbund.
> >>>
> >>> Ett lag best??r av 6 stationer:
> >>>
> >>> 2 Single Op Multi Band High Power
> >>> 2 Single Op Multi Band Low Power
> >>> 1 Single Op Multi Band Low Power Tribander/Single Element
> >>> 1 Multi Op Single TX entrant
> >>>
> >>> F??r att kunna delta beh??ver man ha en uppkoppling till cqcontest.ru
> >>> Hur detta skall g?? till i detalj, kommer SAC CC presentera senare.
> >>> Men i princip ??r det:
> >>>
> >>> * Realtime scoring, d.v.s logprogrammet rapporterar summary sheet till
> >>> cqcontest.ru med j??mna mellanrum. Se vidare http://cqcontest.ru
> >>> d??r instruktioner finns hur man g??r i respektive loggprogram.
> >>>
> >>> * Realtime video/audio. P?? cqcontest.ru kan man ocks?? ansluta str??mmande
> >>> video och ljud och "??sk??daren" kan v??lja tv?? stationer att f??lja p??
> >>> sk??rmen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Men, hur vill vi att uttagningen av Sveriges lag skall g?? till?
> >>> Fritt fram att tycka till h??r p?? reflektorn!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>> Ingemar SM5AJV
> >>>
> >>>
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