[CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

Kim Östman kim.ostman at abo.fi
Tue Apr 5 09:10:30 EDT 2016


Moi,

Saisiko tarkennusta: mikä alkaa olla julkista?

Randyn lausahdus "It is only CQ, ARRL ..." on hieman erikoinen. Kyse  
on sentään "vain" maailman suurimmista ja merkittävimmistä kisoista :)

73
Kim


Lainaus Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com>:

> Nyt tämä alkaa olemaan julkista ..
> Huomatkaa että SAC esitetään maailman foorumilla.
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
> ...
>
> There is another option...  Rather than continue to get twisted in defining
> the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all confusion.
> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
> themselves to other "classic" ops.
>
> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept.  The rest of
> the world has moved on.
>
> Randy, K5ZD
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul O'Kane
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>>
>> On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree.  If it doesn't *assist* someone to
>> > watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
>> > doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
>>
>> We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting "assist",
>> "assistance" and "Assisted"
>> as they, personally, think it should be defined.
>>
>> All relevant technology assists.
>>
>> The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted" categories
>> has always been whether you connect to external networks to improve your
>> score or gain a competitive advantage.
>>
>> That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
>> Unconnected.  That would appear to remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
>>
>>    * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
>>    * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
>>    * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
>>      networked technology, to influence or
>>      modify your strategy - you're Connected.
>>
>> It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
>>
>> I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology would
>> continue to be "Connected".
>> That's why I referred to "the main difference"
>> above.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
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>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>> > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>> > <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
>> > out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> > <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> > For spots, please use your favorite
>> > "retail" DX cluster.
>> >
>> > On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
>> >> Ron
>> >> A couple of questions:
>> >>
>> >> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
>> >>
>> >> The Best way to finding  out,  is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
>> >> and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut
>> feelings?
>> >>
>> >> -------- Mensaje original --------
>> >> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>> >> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
>> >> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
>> >> CC:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     But here's the thing Pete.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
>> >>     it come
>> >>     from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and
>> >> what
>> >>     other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
>> >>     posting
>> >>     that information. How is that not assisted?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
>> >>     exchanges of
>> >>     information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
>> >>     capability
>> >>     should be disabled.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
>> >>     doesn't put
>> >>     you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
>> >>     to put
>> >>     it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
>> >>     tell me it's
>> >>     raining.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
>> >>     reasons why
>> >>     vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
>> >>     approach
>> >>     it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
>> >>     pretend
>> >>     one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
>> >>     blurred.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     73, ron w3wn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     _____
>> >>
>> >>     From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com]
>> >>     Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
>> >>     To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
>> >>     Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
>> >>     isn't
>> >>     true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in
>> >> MM+)
>> >>     whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
>> >> information,
>> >>     access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
>> >>     considered
>> >>     assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the
>> band
>> >>     breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
>> >>     would go
>> >>     away.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     73, Pete N4ZR
>> >>     Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>> >>     . Check
>> >>     out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> >>     , now
>> >>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> >>     For spots, please use your favorite
>> >>     "retail" DX cluster.
>> >>
>> >>     On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
>> >>     Therefore,
>> >>     information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
>> >>     of most
>> >>     contests that recognize this category.
>> >>
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