[CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

Tue Apr 5 15:12:51 EDT 2016

Tuohan se vasta uutinen olisi.

2016-04-05 21:59 GMT+03:00 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi>:

> Moi,
>
> Ollaanko teholuokkia myös poistamassa samalla, jos/kun SO-unassisted
> poistetaan? QRP/LP pois ja kaikki HP/EP-luokkaan? ;)
>
> 73
> Kim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCF [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jukka Klemola
> Sent: 5. huhtikuuta 2016 16:14
> To: ccf <ccf at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted
>
> Se alkaa olemaan julkista, että assisted kategoriasta tosiaan keskustellaan
> CQ WW sisällä.
> Arvelin että tämä lienee uutinen monelle.
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
> 2016-04-05 16:10 GMT+03:00 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi>:
>
> > Moi,
> >
> > Saisiko tarkennusta: mikä alkaa olla julkista?
> >
> > Randyn lausahdus "It is only CQ, ARRL ..." on hieman erikoinen. Kyse on
> > sentään "vain" maailman suurimmista ja merkittävimmistä kisoista :)
> >
> > 73
> > Kim
> >
> >
> > Lainaus Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Nyt tämä alkaa olemaan julkista ..
> >> Huomatkaa että SAC esitetään maailman foorumilla.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Jukka OH6LI
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
> >> ...
> >>
> >> There is another option...  Rather than continue to get twisted in
> >> defining
> >> the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all
> >> confusion.
> >> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
> >> themselves to other "classic" ops.
> >>
> >> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept.  The rest
> >> of
> >> the world has moved on.
> >>
> >> Randy, K5ZD
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Paul O'Kane
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
> >>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> >>>
> >>> On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree.  If it doesn't *assist* someone
> to
> >>> > watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
> >>> > doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
> >>>
> >>> We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting "assist",
> >>> "assistance" and "Assisted"
> >>> as they, personally, think it should be defined.
> >>>
> >>> All relevant technology assists.
> >>>
> >>> The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted" categories
> >>> has always been whether you connect to external networks to improve
> your
> >>> score or gain a competitive advantage.
> >>>
> >>> That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
> >>> Unconnected.  That would appear to remove most uncertainty and
> ambiguity.
> >>>
> >>>    * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
> >>>    * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
> >>>    * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
> >>>      networked technology, to influence or
> >>>      modify your strategy - you're Connected.
> >>>
> >>> It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
> >>>
> >>> I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology
> would
> >>> continue to be "Connected".
> >>> That's why I referred to "the main difference"
> >>> above.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Paul EI5DI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> >>> > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
> >>> > <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
> >>> > out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> >>> > <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> >>> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> >>> > For spots, please use your favorite
> >>> > "retail" DX cluster.
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
> >>> >> Ron
> >>> >> A couple of questions:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The Best way to finding  out,  is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
> >>> >> and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut
> >>> feelings?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -------- Mensaje original --------
> >>> >> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> >>> >> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
> >>> >> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
> >>> >> CC:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     But here's the thing Pete.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
> >>> >>     it come
> >>> >>     from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score"
> and
> >>> >> what
> >>> >>     other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who
> are
> >>> >>     posting
> >>> >>     that information. How is that not assisted?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
> >>> >>     exchanges of
> >>> >>     information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
> >>> >>     capability
> >>> >>     should be disabled.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
> >>> >>     doesn't put
> >>> >>     you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is.
> (Or
> >>> >>     to put
> >>> >>     it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
> >>> >>     tell me it's
> >>> >>     raining.)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
> >>> >>     reasons why
> >>> >>     vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
> >>> >>     approach
> >>> >>     it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just
> don't
> >>> >>     pretend
> >>> >>     one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
> >>> >>     blurred.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     73, ron w3wn
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     _____
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com]
> >>> >>     Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
> >>> >>     To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
> >>> >>     Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+,
> this
> >>> >>     isn't
> >>> >>     true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide
> (in
> >>> >> MM+)
> >>> >>     whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
> >>> >> information,
> >>> >>     access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
> >>> >>     considered
> >>> >>     assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the
> >>> band
> >>> >>     breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
> >>> >>     would go
> >>> >>     away.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     73, Pete N4ZR
> >>> >>     Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
> >>> >>     . Check
> >>> >>     out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> >>> >>     , now
> >>> >>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> >>> >>     For spots, please use your favorite
> >>> >>     "retail" DX cluster.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
> >>> >>     Therefore,
> >>> >>     information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the
> purposes
> >>> >>     of most
> >>> >>     contests that recognize this category.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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