[CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

jorma Saloranta jorma.saloranta at kolumbus.fi
Tue Apr 5 16:19:09 EDT 2016 

Ymmärrän logiikan Kimin kysymyksen takana, ja samaa logiikkaa voisi poistaa overlayt ja rookiet.

Aikaa sitten puhuttiin teknologialuokasta ja extreme-luokasta. Ovat kai jo maton alla.

Tehot on monia epämotivoiva juttu, koska 1500 w ylitys on liian yleistä Euroopassa, isot pojat kertovat. Silti pitäisin 100   ja 1500 w luokat kaikissa kisoissa, niitä kun saa yleisesti kaupasta.

73 oh2ki



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Lähettäjä: "Kim Östman" <kim.ostman at abo.fi>
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Aihe: Re: [CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

:)

 

Niin, meinaan vaan että jos SOU:ta ollaan poistamassa ja laittamassa kaikki samaan luokkaan sen takia, että ollaan väsytty huijarijahtiin (ja sen takiahan SOU halutaan poistaa, ei sen ylläpitämisessä SOA:n rinnalla mitään muuta ongelmaa oikeasti ole), niin johdonmukaisuuden vuoksi tulisi sitten poistaa myös eri teholuokat. Eikö vaan?

 

 

From: Jukka Klemola [mailto:jpklemola at gmail.com] 
Sent: 5. huhtikuuta 2016 22:13
To: Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi>
Cc: ccf <ccf at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

 

Tuohan se vasta uutinen olisi.

 

 

2016-04-05 21:59 GMT+03:00 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi <mailto:kim.ostman at abo.fi> >:

Moi,

Ollaanko teholuokkia myös poistamassa samalla, jos/kun SO-unassisted poistetaan? QRP/LP pois ja kaikki HP/EP-luokkaan? ;)

73
Kim


-----Original Message-----
From: CCF [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com <mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com> ] On Behalf Of Jukka Klemola
Sent: 5. huhtikuuta 2016 16:14
To: ccf <ccf at contesting.com <mailto:ccf at contesting.com> >
Subject: Re: [CCF] Fwd: Assisted vs non-Assisted

Se alkaa olemaan julkista, että assisted kategoriasta tosiaan keskustellaan
CQ WW sisällä.
Arvelin että tämä lienee uutinen monelle.

73,
Jukka OH6LI

2016-04-05 16:10 GMT+03:00 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi <mailto:kim.ostman at abo.fi> >:

> Moi,
>
> Saisiko tarkennusta: mikä alkaa olla julkista?
>
> Randyn lausahdus "It is only CQ, ARRL ..." on hieman erikoinen. Kyse on
> sentään "vain" maailman suurimmista ja merkittävimmistä kisoista :)
>
> 73
> Kim
>
>
> Lainaus Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com <mailto:jpklemola at gmail.com> >:
>
> Nyt tämä alkaa olemaan julkista ..
>> Huomatkaa että SAC esitetään maailman foorumilla.
>>
>> 73,
>> Jukka OH6LI
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
>> ...
>>
>> There is another option...  Rather than continue to get twisted in
>> defining
>> the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all
>> confusion.
>> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
>> themselves to other "classic" ops.
>>
>> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept.  The rest
>> of
>> the world has moved on.
>>
>> Randy, K5ZD
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com <mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> ] On Behalf Of
>>> Paul O'Kane
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com <mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com> 
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net <http://cqcontest.net> 
>>>
>>> On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree.  If it doesn't *assist* someone to
>>> > watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
>>> > doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
>>>
>>> We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting "assist",
>>> "assistance" and "Assisted"
>>> as they, personally, think it should be defined.
>>>
>>> All relevant technology assists.
>>>
>>> The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted" categories
>>> has always been whether you connect to external networks to improve your
>>> score or gain a competitive advantage.
>>>
>>> That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
>>> Unconnected.  That would appear to remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
>>>
>>>    * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
>>>    * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
>>>    * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
>>>      networked technology, to influence or
>>>      modify your strategy - you're Connected.
>>>
>>> It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
>>>
>>> I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology would
>>> continue to be "Connected".
>>> That's why I referred to "the main difference"
>>> above.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>>> > <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
>>> > out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>> > <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>>> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>>> > For spots, please use your favorite
>>> > "retail" DX cluster.
>>> >
>>> > On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
>>> >> Ron
>>> >> A couple of questions:
>>> >>
>>> >> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
>>> >>
>>> >> The Best way to finding  out,  is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
>>> >> and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut
>>> feelings?
>>> >>
>>> >> -------- Mensaje original --------
>>> >> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net <http://cqcontest.net> 
>>> >> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
>>> >> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
>>> >> CC:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     But here's the thing Pete.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
>>> >>     it come
>>> >>     from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and
>>> >> what
>>> >>     other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
>>> >>     posting
>>> >>     that information. How is that not assisted?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
>>> >>     exchanges of
>>> >>     information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
>>> >>     capability
>>> >>     should be disabled.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
>>> >>     doesn't put
>>> >>     you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
>>> >>     to put
>>> >>     it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
>>> >>     tell me it's
>>> >>     raining.)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
>>> >>     reasons why
>>> >>     vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
>>> >>     approach
>>> >>     it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
>>> >>     pretend
>>> >>     one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
>>> >>     blurred.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     73, ron w3wn
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     _____
>>> >>
>>> >>     From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com <mailto:n4zr at contesting.com> ]
>>> >>     Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
>>> >>     To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
>>> >>     Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net <http://cqcontest.net> 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net <http://cqcontest.net>  and users of MM+, this
>>> >>     isn't
>>> >>     true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in
>>> >> MM+)
>>> >>     whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
>>> >> information,
>>> >>     access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
>>> >>     considered
>>> >>     assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the
>>> band
>>> >>     breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
>>> >>     would go
>>> >>     away.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     73, Pete N4ZR
>>> >>     Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>>> >>     . Check
>>> >>     out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>> >>     , now
>>> >>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>>> >>     For spots, please use your favorite
>>> >>     "retail" DX cluster.
>>> >>
>>> >>     On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>     ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
>>> >>     Therefore,
>>> >>     information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
>>> >>     of most
>>> >>     contests that recognize this category.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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