NA CW & Keyer Interface Problem

WR3O at isd2.tdec.state.tn.us WR3O at isd2.tdec.state.tn.us
Wed Feb 9 17:15:56 EST 1994


I have been testing a copy of NA to see if I can get it to work
with my existing station setup.  I have been having the following
problem with the CW interface, and would appreciate any suggestions.

My HF rig is an Icom 761.  I have hooked up the standard CW keying
interface via the parallel port, and it seems to work just fine.
I can use NA to send the exchanges, and use the keyboard in "keyer"
mode without any problems.

The IC 761 has one key jack (unlike the 765).  The key jack is a 
1/4 inch plug that can accept a squeeze key directly for iambic
keying.  Tip, ring, and sleeve (ground) are used for dot, dash, and
common, respectively.  To use a straight key or external keyer, it
is necessary to use a stereo plug, but only use the tip and sleeve
(ground), leaving the ring unconnected.

The challenge is that I want to have use of the paddle and the keyboard
simultaneously during a contest.  I want to be able to switch to the
paddle quickly to send something not stored in a function key, etc.

On the IC-761, the paddle is only effective when the "ELEC-KEY" 
switch in IN; the external keying line (from NA) only works right when
the "ELEC-KEY" switch is OUT.  This is the only way to make it work 
with the paddle and keyer wired in parallel (as far as I can tell).

The problem is that I must constantly toggle the ELEC-KEY switch to
switch between the paddles and NA.  Imagine trying to do this under
contest conditions, and you'll see what I am getting at.  It is not
acceptable, and makes for lots of errors.

I then learned that NA had an iambic keyer built right into the program.
I thought that this would be the solution.  I wired up the paddles to
the parallel port according to the instructions, and it did not work.
The rig would randomly go into long strings of iambic dah-dit-dah-dits...
for many seconds, stop intermittently, then continue on with more random
iambic strings.  Bottom line here is that the keyer does not seem to 
work correctly.  Note that keyer and key line are both on the parallel
port in this configuration, as serial ports are used up for rig control
and PacketCluster.  Different pins are used for the keyer and key line.


The big question -- has anybody successfully hooked up the IC 761 to
NA and paddles simultaneously?  Any suggestions would be gratefully
appreciated.  I will post the solution if/when I find it.  Thanks.

73, Kirk  WR3O   ( WR3O at isd2.tdec.state.tn.us )

>From Tim Coad" <tim_coad at smtp.esl.com  Wed Feb  9 23:04:06 1994
From: Tim Coad" <tim_coad at smtp.esl.com (Tim Coad)
Date: 9 Feb 1994 15:04:06 -0800
Subject: No Id
Message-ID: <9402100129.AA18707 at esl.com>

                       Subject:                               Time:2:43 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          No Id                                  Date:2/9/94
I guess Dxpeditions are very different than contests. But in contests I came up
with a cure for the stations who dont Id. I DUPE them if I dont recognize their
voice/style, and ask them for their call. During contests this is the only way.
I never used to do this until I heard a world class DX operator saying he
doesnt ID frequently because it hurts his rate and after all he has to look
after himself. 
I used to sit and wait for many Q's and try hard to refrain from saying
"call?". But now I wait for 2 qsos and if he doesnt ID tough luck for him. He
is affecting my rate! And as far as I can tell, my rate is as important as his!

So if a globe trotting contester finds me in his log more than once, its more
than likely his fault not mine.
Tim - NU6S




>From barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner)  Thu Feb 10 01:26:57 1994
From: barry at w2up.wells.com (Barry Kutner) (Barry Kutner)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 01:26:57 GMT
Subject: CT 8.52 OK???
Message-ID: <mJciHc1w165w at w2up.wells.com>

Just downloaded CT 8.52 from CT-BBS. Has anyone found any problems
with it ??
73 de Barry


Barry N. Kutner, W2UP       Usenet/Internet: barry at w2up.wells.com
Newtown, PA                 Packet Radio: W2UP @ WB3JOE.#EPA.PA.USA.NA
                            Packet Cluster: W2UP >K2TW (FRC)
.......................................................................


>From geoiii at bga.com (George Fremin III - WB5VZL)  Thu Feb 10 05:28:18 1994
From: geoiii at bga.com (George Fremin III - WB5VZL) (george fremin iii)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:28:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: cw sprint score rumors
Message-ID: <199402100528.AA09749 at zoom.bga.com>

CW SPRINT 2/6/94
Claimed Scores as of 2/10/94

CALL   QSO x MULT = SCORE (band beakdowns 20 40 80)
-------------------------
KR0Y   359 x 47  = 16,873 (109 147 103)
K5GN   340 x 45  = 15,300
KM9P   334 x 44  = 14,696 (91 127 112)
N6TR   324 x 43  = 13,932
KZ2S   330 x 42  = 13,860 (104 131 95)
N6TV   330 x 42  = 13,776 (98 120 110)
W5WMU  331 x 41  = 13,571 (K5GA op)
K6LL   323 x 42  = 13,566
K1KI   322 x 42  = 13,524 (106 122 94)
K7SS   298 x 44  = 13,112

AA4NC  283 x 46  = 13,018
N2IC   319 x 40  = 12,760
K5MR   293 x 43  = 12,599
N5RZ   323 x 39  = 12,597
N6DX   292 x 43  = 12,556
K5ZD   309 x 40  = 12,360
KT3Y   296 x 41  = 12,136
N6AA   281 x 43  = 12,083
W9RE   281 x ??  = ??
AD5Q   287 x 42  = 12,054

K7SV   268 x 38  = 12,015
K4PQL  313 x 38  = 11,894
AG9A   290 x 41  = 11,890
KI3V/7 295 x 40  = 11,800 (WN4KKN op)
KW8N   284 x 41  = 11,644
W2GD   290 x 40  = 11,600
N6VR   272 x 42  = 11,424
W2RQ   284 x 40  = 11,360
K6XT   270 x 42  = 11,340
N6XI   276 x 41  = 11,316 (80 116 80)

W1FEA  274 x 41  = 11,234
N7NG   287 x 39  = 11,193
WX0B   277 x 40  = 11,080 (NM5M op)
K3WW   277 x 40  = 11,080 (78 126 73)
W9UP   270 x 41  = 11,070 (N0BSH op)
KE2PF  270 x 41  = 11,070
K9ZO   275 x 40  = 11,000
KB4GID 264 x 41  = 10,824
K3WW   270 x 40  = 10,800
N4ZZ   263 x 41  = 10,783

AA4GA  269 x 40  = 10.760
K4AMC  267 x 40  = 10,680
AA7NX  260 x 41  = 10,660
WD0T   273 x 39  = 10,647 
K2MM   253 x 42  = 10,626
K5TU   258 x 41  = 10,578
N8AA   261 x 40  = 10,440
W5ASP  240 x 43  = 10,320
K6XO   257 x 40  = 10,280
K7SV   268 x 38  = 10,184

KN5H   252 x 40  = 10,080
WX9U   250 x 39  =  9,750
NA4K   263 x 38  =  9,576
KI3L   239 x 40  =  9,560
KM0L   221 x 42  =  9,282
AA6ML  225 x 41  =  9,225
KE3Q   242 x 38  =  9,196
NV6O   229 x 40  =  9,160
K8MR   246 x 37  =  9,102
K6ZH   221 x 40  =  8,840

WA4PGM 226 x 39  =  8,814
W1IHN  230 x 38  =  8,740
K1IU   218 x 39  =  8,502
NC6U   234 x 36  =  8,424
N4TY   209 x 40  =  8,360
N0AX   203 x 41  =  8,323
AA9C   206 x 40  =  8,240
KM5H   200 x 40  =  8,000
KE4GY  195 x 41  =  7,995
VE5MX  210 x 38  =  7,980

WQ5L   185 x 41  =  7,585
N4AA   191 x 39  =  7,449
W6MUW  190 x 39  =  7,410
NT5D   176 x 40  =  7,040
NF6H   176 x 39  =  6,864
N7LOX  194 x 34  =  6,596  
K5RC   176 x 36  =  6,336
WN3K   173 x 34  =  5,882
K8JLF  173 x 34  =  5,882
N1EE   163 x ??  =  ??               

K5DX   122 x 35  =  4,270
WB5VZL 101 x 33  =  3,333
KD5PJ  105 x 31  =  3,255
W7WHY  101 x 30  =  3,030
K3TLX   93 x 31  =  2,883
NZ5I    45 x 24  =  1,080
W9WI    42 x 22  =    924
WB8RUQ  26 x 18  =    468
N6KL     7 x  7  =     49

Clubs:
Southeast Clusteroids 96,838
Texas DX Society      88,810
NERDS                 23,892

so there you have it.  and very big thanks to Scott KA9FOX
for doing all the math - or at least letting his computer do it.
 
Scott and I have decided to team up and become the score dudes. 
we will make an effort to collect and post scores after all 
the major contests. our hope is to provide quick and compleate
score rumors.  if you have any suggestions or things you
would like to see listed with these scores let one
of us know.  

if you have corrections for the above drop me (wb5vzl) a note or
call me.  see you after the phone sprint 3830 +/- .
 
scott is -- ka9fox at aol.com
george is -- geoiii at bga.com

-- 

George Fremin III
Austin, Texas C.K.U.                        
WB5VZL
512/416-0140
geoiii at bga.com

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>  Thu Feb 10 05:29:55 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:29:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CT 8.52 OK???
Message-ID: <760858195.668018.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>

> Just downloaded CT 8.52 from CT-BBS. Has anyone found any problems
> with it ??

This is a topic more appropriate for the CT mailing list than the
CQ-Contest mailing list.  Please post all followup messages to the
CT list.

For more info about the CT list, send a message to 
"MajorDomo at sttng.mlo.dec.com" and put this text in the *BODY* of your 
mail message:

        info ct-user

It will send you the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list, which will tell
you how to subscribe.

--Trey

>From albert crespo <72102.2557 at CompuServe.COM>  Thu Feb 10 06:02:16 1994
From: albert crespo <72102.2557 at CompuServe.COM> (albert crespo)
Date: 10 Feb 94 01:02:16 EST
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <940210060215_72102.2557_DHS25-1 at CompuServe.COM>

subscribe

>From robert penneys <penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu>  Thu Feb 10 12:23:35 1994
From: robert penneys <penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu> (robert penneys)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:23:35 EST
Subject: Join the NERDS Sprint team already!!
Message-ID: <9402101223.AA01427 at freezer.cns.udel.edu>


Join

K5ZD
WA4PGM
KI4HN
WN3K
NY3Y
NY3C
maybe K3WW, WW3F, N3MTU

this Saturday night 0000-0400Z for phone Sprint!!

Let me know now!!

Tnx  Bob    WN3K   N.E.R.D.S.      FRC

>From rking at sescva.esc.edu (RICHARD KING - K5NA)  Thu Feb 10 14:26:24 1994
From: rking at sescva.esc.edu (RICHARD KING - K5NA) (RICHARD KING - K5NA)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 09:26:24 -0500
Subject: CT 8.52 OK???

The last time I looked, CT286 at 8.52 had a problem with re-setting the system clocks 
incorrectly.  Ken, K1EA, said it was because it was compiled with a buggy 
compilier and that had caused the problem.  I checked back as late as last 
Friday and the bad CT286 was still there.  CT 386 and CT86 seem to be OK.

73, Richard - K5NA

>From rking at sescva.esc.edu (RICHARD KING - K5NA)  Thu Feb 10 14:31:12 1994
From: rking at sescva.esc.edu (RICHARD KING - K5NA) (RICHARD KING - K5NA)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 09:31:12 -0500
Subject: CT8.52 OK???

It doesn't seem practical that you will be able to completely isolate the
CONTEST reflector from CT discussion. Is that your intent Trey?

What about the other contest programs? Do they need their own reflector, 
use the CT reflector, or stay here?

73, Richard - K5NA

>From Steve Fraasch" <Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM  Thu Feb 10 14:48:43 1994
From: Steve Fraasch" <Steve_Fraasch at ATK.COM (Steve Fraasch)
Date: 10 Feb 1994 08:48:43 -0600
Subject: DX Eng 6 el 20m
Message-ID: <9402101447.AA15272 at ATK.COM>

                       Subject:                               Time:8:32 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          DX Eng 6 el 20m                        Date:2/10/94
Does anyone have experience using the new DX engineering 6 element 20m on a
60' boom?  Supposedly, this is a new "higher gain" version compared to the
56' boom predecesser.  Mark, K0KX, currently owns the 20DX-6 w/ 56' boom and
is wondering if adding the 4' boom and adjusting spacings and lengths is
worth the effort.  Personally, I can't believe adding 4' of boom would make
much difference.  More significant is that DXE changed all element lengths
and boom spacings.  Perhaps the old one was not tuned properly and the added
boom allowed them to achieve their original design goals?

I don't know, but we would like some info from the field.

Steve, K0SF



>From David C. Patton" <mudcp3 at uxa.ecn.bgu.edu  Thu Feb 10 14:58:52 1994
From: David C. Patton" <mudcp3 at uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David C. Patton)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 08:58:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sprint write-up
Message-ID: <199402101458.AA20138 at uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

Continuing Danny's thread:

For the sprint, instead of using an asterisk to indirectly denote who
the scumbags are (me) that did not submit an electronic entry, an
asterisk would be far better used to show a 100 W entry.  It seems
that if someone sent in an electronic entry, they pretty much know
they did it.

I read that Rick Niswander planned to denote low power next year.
that's excellent.

Rick and Tree do the best job for contesters, and we truly owe them.

73, Dave Patton, WX3N

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>  Thu Feb 10 15:00:44 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 07:00:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CT8.52 OK???
Message-ID: <760892444.244018.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>

> It doesn't seem practical that you will be able to completely isolate the
> CONTEST reflector from CT discussion. Is that your intent Trey?
> 
> What about the other contest programs? Do they need their own reflector, 
> use the CT reflector, or stay here?
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA

I don't mind discussion of logging programs on cq-contest.  It happens
all the time.  In fact, some of them are interesting, such as what does
CT do that N6TR doesn't do, vice versa, etc.  But I don't really give a 
damn about whether the CT BBS is up, or down, or whether the latest 
version of CT has bugs.  This stuff should be persued in a mailing list
dedicated to CT, and there is such a thing now.  One of the reasons 
you *don't* hear about the N6TR bugs-du-jour is that Tree runs his own
mailing list dedicated to his special interest group.

Furthermore, you should have directed this last message to me rather
than to the entire list, since you were posing a question to me personally.

--Trey, WN4KKN/6


>From Fred Cady ieefc at msu.oscs.montana.edu" <fred_c at ece.ee.montana.edu  Thu Feb 10 13:51:11 1994
From: Fred Cady ieefc at msu.oscs.montana.edu" <fred_c at ece.ee.montana.edu (Fred Cady ieefc at msu.oscs.montana.edu)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 08:51:11 EST
Subject: Computer control of TS940
Message-ID: <00979D7A.723117E0.14080 at ece.ee.montana.edu>

I finally got the IF10B interface installed and built the level
translater that was in QST Feb 93.  All seems to work except when
a command is sent to the 940, say from CT to change bands, the
940 sends an obnoxious "4R" in cw in the monitor.  Anybody else
have that experience?  Anyway of fixing it short of turning down
the Buzzer volume?  
73, Fred KE7X



>From p695ksc at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Klaus Schlich)  Thu Feb 10 16:21:46 1994
From: p695ksc at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Klaus Schlich) (Klaus Schlich)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:21:46 +0100
Subject: AFU-Soft in InterNet?
Message-ID: <9402101621.AA20147 at meister.effbg>

Hello OM's,

can anybody tell me, where I can find AFU-Software in InterNet?

tks, 73 es best dx de Klaus

---------------------------
Klaus Schlich DL3KDT
on packet    : dl3kdt at dk0mwx.nrw.deu.eu
on InterNet  : p695ksc at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de



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