Collegiate Championship

Jeff Tucker N9HZQ tucker at eedsp.gatech.EDU
Fri Oct 14 19:41:24 EDT 1994

For your information, there is a lively discussion going on about
holding a "Collegiate Championship" within the ARRL SSB
Sweepstakes.  So far, this competition isn't actually sanctioned
by the ARRL, but we're discussing it with them.  It will all be
within the contest, we're just going to compare scores at the

If you're active at a college ham club and haven't gotten in on
this discussion (which is on the ham-univ mailing list...
subscribes to listserv at and you'd like more
information or like to register your club, let me know.  We've
got around a dozen schools now who say they'll be active.

73 de Jeff N9HZQ

Jeff Tucker       N9HZQ
tucker at             
W4AQL Contest Team              

>From Fred Hopengarten" <k1vr at  Fri Oct 14 23:23:02 1994
From: Fred Hopengarten" <k1vr at (Fred Hopengarten)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:23:02 EDT
Subject: Open Logs
Message-ID: <2e9f04c7.k1vr at>

     Did you know that no one except ARRL staff (KR1R and
crew) can examine a contest log which was submitted and won
a category?

     This is not a matter of cost.  According to KR1R (I
asked him recently at the New England Division Convention),
even an offer to reimburse expenses associated with a review
of the winner's log would be declined.  Photocopying a log,
copying a disk, or showing up and viewing (or any other
method of review) the winning log submitted is not possible.
In the present situation, you must ask the winner directly.
If the winner cooperates, you get a copy.  If the winner
does not cooperate, why you lost will forever remain a

As this is the contest forum, I ask for opinions of the


Questions for exploration:

*    Does it matter?  If you lost, you lost.  Better luck
     next year.  Erect more aluminum.

*    Don't you trust the judges (KR1R and crew)?

*    If you don't know how the winner did it, how can you
     ever improve?

*    Would an examination of the winner's log be useful
     anyway?  What would you discern?

*    Who ever heard of a contest where the winning entry is
     a secret?

*    With most winners submitting logs in digits, wouldn't
     it be easy for the League, and inexpensive to the
     League, to store winning logs as files on the ARRL BBS,
     permitting downloading at the inquirer's expense from
     anywhere in the world?

          Sub-questions:  Would this discourage digital
          entries?  In other words, would winners use a
          computer (or use computers) but submit only a
          paper log?  Would that make a difference, as a
          paper log can be scanned?  Would scanning
          encourage handwritten logs?

*    Wouldn't this just encourage protests, due process,
     accusations and, heaven forfend, litigation?

*    Et tu, CQ?

                      Fred Hopengarten K1VR
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>From Peter G. Smith" <n4zr at  Sat Oct 15 01:33:15 1994
From: Peter G. Smith" <n4zr at (Peter G. Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open Logs
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410141741.A21693-0100000 at netcom12>

I see no problem with logs being open to anyone, as long as the cost 
issue can be managed.  Same thing as with the station equipment database 
I've been promoting -- there are plenty of goodies that aren't revealed 
in either a log or a list of station equipment.  In a sailboat race, 
everyone can see what tactics the winner used, but the judgment of the 
judges on the spot remains final -- and knowing what somebody did to 
beat you last year may help you get better, but he/she won't be standing 
still either.

73, Pete                                       
N4ZR at
"Better, faster,cheaper -- choose any two"

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