EKK Filter?

johnp at pc16.idcg.com johnp at pc16.idcg.com
Wed Feb 22 07:30:14 EST 1995

This is  a test post.

Why is it that K2SG's message about hand cramps comes through 8 times but my post 
about operating 40M at W3LPL doesn't come through at all?
John Pescatore WB2EKK
IDC Government
Falls Church, VA  
pescatore at idcg.com

>From jdowning at InterServ.Com (John Downing)  Wed Feb 22 17:53:59 1995
From: jdowning at InterServ.Com (John Downing) (John Downing)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 09:53:59 PST
Subject: V31DX Cuba Libra Contest Club
Message-ID: <9502221753.AA09251@ InterServ.Com>


The Cuba Libra Contest Club makes its annual return to sunny Ambergris Caye,
Belize for the ARRL SSB DX contest.  This year, in a desparate effort to 
finally win the thing (hey guys, how many years in a row do we HAVE to finish
second worldwide?), we're now offering free membership to the elite Cuba Libra
Contest Club which currently has four members; Vic KI6IM, Peter AB6WM, Bill 
and John N6YRU.  All you have to do is work us during the contest.  Special 
memberships are available to those who think to post us on the Packet Cluster. 
coveted PLATINUM membership is available to all those who post us on the 
Cluster on all six bands OR work us from DC, NWT, or Yukon!

Remember, fiveninethousand is what you get from us every time ... compared 
with the
fivenineseven you get from us each October!

And, of course, good luck to Tom and Noah at PJ9B.  You never figured out how 
sabotaged that SB220 last year did you?  

Vic, Bill, and John are doing our usual multi single thing.  Peter is off 
in Andorra and will probably be on from time to time with his C31 call.  Good 
to all in the contest.  Have fun, and see you in the pileups.

                           V31DX V31DX V31DX  

>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)  Wed Feb 22 18:50:22 1995
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) (Derek Wills)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:50:22 CST
Subject: Infrequent signing and dupes
Message-ID: <9502221850.AA27459 at astro.as.utexas.edu>

	>Perhaps in our champaign [sic] to demand full calls, we 
        >should also insist on at least 1 signing per QSO.

	I'll second that!    Scott  K9MA

If your call were XE1/AA6RX or longer you might not second it, though.

If you call CQ de Whatever and have 5 people call you, that means
that there are 5 people out there who know your call already.  In
principle you ought be able to work them and then give your call
again.  OK, not if 50 people call, but if only 2 do, it seems silly
to give your call again after working just one of them, no?  Search 
and pounce includes having to wait a bit to find out the call, as 
part of the search.

Like everything else, it's a compromise - you give your call every
QSO, you lose some time; you give it rarely, you lose some callers.

Derek AA5BT, G3NMX
oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu

>From sellington" <sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu  Wed Feb 22 13:13:21 1995
From: sellington" <sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: 22 Feb 95 13:13:21 U
Subject: Infrequent signing and dupes

For the folks with very long calls, sign ever 2 or 3 QSO's is reasonable.
The real offenders are the ones who very rarely sign.

Siging every time doesn't seem to slow down EA8EA. (I know, it's a short call.)

I know it's not what contests are all about, but those of us in the Black
Hole who spend lots of time searching and pouncing can really appreciate
the courtesy of those who sign frequently.

VP2/WJ2O had a great idea:  He was the only station in the contest sending
"5NN NN".  I don't suppose that will work next year.

Scott  K9MA   

>From lvn at fox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Larry Novak)  Wed Feb 22 19:33:50 1995
From: lvn at fox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Larry Novak) (Larry Novak)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 14:33:50 EST
Subject: Signing every QSO?
Message-ID: <9502221933.AA09802 at cen.com>

Ok, I'm willing to be educated. I had 2 people tell me I deserved the
dupes and the "question mark gang" if I only signed every 3 Q's. I
would like some non-flammatory feedback on this (email me and I'll
summarize). How often do you think someone running at 120+ Q's per hour
should sign?

If it takes 3 seconds to send my call, I saved 2 hours by only sending
it every 3 calls.  If there are 50 people in the pileup your chance of
working me within 3 calls is 6 percent. So, purely statisitcally, you
will be in 15 of 16 pileups long enough to get the call. 

Anyway, I'd like to understand this a little better. I won't bother
commenting on the flames except to say that many of the ?'s came
immediately after I sent my call. 

Thanks, Larry, K3TLX

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>From k8mr at barf80.nshore.org (Jim Stahl)  Wed Feb 22 18:59:27 1995
From: k8mr at barf80.nshore.org (Jim Stahl) (Jim Stahl)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:59:27 EST
Message-ID: <sLuX1c1w165w at barf80.nshore.org>

     13     12
     67     31
    127     46
    306     68
    440     64
     33     22
   ____    ___
    986    243      18 HOURS
   TS-830S -  PA-76A or Raytrack DX-2000L (pair 3-500Z's)
   PRO-67A @ 70 Feet   1/4 wave sloper on 80  Shunt feed 160
   Only about 3 hours was before noon local on Saturday.  My
daughters's birthday falls on this weekend, making serious
contesting difficult; given the recent usual crummy contest
conditions I made no effort to plan extra time.
   Highlights: being called by HZ0ZAA, A71CW, and HV3SJ.  Hats
off to 4X4WN for taking a few minutes from a major east coast
packet pileup on 80 to listen by call areas for those of us a bit
further west, letting me get him.
   Strangelight:  For the first time I can remember on CW, I was
run off a frequency by a net!  Some stateside net showed up on
14050 at 2100Z Saturday, with a WB6 net control.  I worked a few
guys through them, but since the band was marginal I eventually
gave up and went on to do something else.
   My nomination for jerk of the weekend:  the 15 meter operator
of N2RM at 1325Z Sunday.  He showed up on my frequency with nary
a ? or QRL? and wouldn't respond to various QRL, QSY, GO AWAY,
etc. from me.  This went on for about 4 minutes until I was
finally able to work someone through him, apparently convincing
him he had failed in *totally* obliterating me in Europe. He
QSYed about 500 Hz after which time we peacefully coexisted for
the next several hours.  It's been years since I encountered such
a blatant frequency stealing attempt.  Is there something about
putting that many guys in a small room for that long that causes
such behavior?  Was the PortaPotty located too close to the air
intake?  Does anyone have the number for the local Board of
Health down there? :)
Jim  K8MR    k8mr at barf80.nshore.org

Jim Stahl
InterNet: k8mr at barf80.nshore.org
Basic Amateur Radio Frequency, BARF-80 +1 216/237-8208
"Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud

>From tree at cmicro.com (Larry Tyree)  Wed Feb 22 19:15:00 1995
From: tree at cmicro.com (Larry Tyree) (Larry Tyree)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:15:00 PST
Subject: What's your call?
Message-ID: <9502221915.AA06914 at cmicro.com>

Having been on both sides of the pileup, there is an answer that I like,
but I don't think has been presented.

When I know there are more people there to work, I could send EE, but
the last time at TI1C, I would send my whole call....  at about 50 WPM.

With a short call like TI1C, it doesn't take much more time than a
R or EE, but it does let people know who have just tuned me in that
they have worked me (Yes, I know they have to "copy" the call, but
if they have already heard me do this when I first worked them, they
will probably figure it out).

It also isn't enough for most people to know who I am if they have just
tuned me in and haven't worked me before, so they might hesitate
calling me, which is what I want, since I would like to work First
Come First Served (this is one of those intangibles that make the
difference between winners and loosers).  

Having several keys set up that when pressed will log the QSO and send
the appropriate message (including speed) for the situation makes this
easy to do.

Of course, you need to sign your call "for real" as often as possible
so you don't get people saying "CL?" on top of you.  In a high rate
situation, this is about 3 QSOs or 45 seconds, whichever comes first.

However, signing it "for real" each time is counter productive as it 
takes away your ability to control the pileup.  

Oh yes, there is one other thing that destroys your ability to manage
your pileup size...  packet spots.  There have been many times where
I have cursed getting spotted because it makes the pileup too big to be
run efficiently.  This seems to happen a lot when I work into Germany.

If a DX station is working them a mile a minute, you probably aren't doing
them a favor by spotting them.  Save that for when they call three CQs
in a row without an answer.

But that isn't what I came here to talk about...

tree at cmicro.com

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