Hornet's Nest of Controversy...

RHILTO at acxiom.com RHILTO at acxiom.com
Thu Oct 19 15:19:20 EDT 1995

>I don't know about "flame suits" but those with this problem may 
>have beekeepers in their areas who would be willing to lend a bee 
>suit. You could wear this and be safe (or is it bee safe?) from the 
>wasps and do what you wish.
>  That way, you would be ready for the next CONTEST!

>73, Zack W9SZ

Speaking as a beekeeper... borrowing a bee suit is a good idea, and I'd 
lend one to any local victim^H^H^H^H^H^H needy person, but be aware that 
bee suits are NOT beeproof!  The "suit" itself is usually no more than 
loose fitting one-piece coveralls... bees can sting through the material 
quite easily... the suit mostly keeps the keeper clean, etc.

The helmet and veil, OTOH, are really useful and -- if worn properly! -- 
are beeproof.  The veil does a great job of keeping the bees OUT, but 
most beekeepers (including this one) can tell you just how well the veil 
keeps errant bees IN, too!

You've all probably seen / heard about beekeepers using smoke when 
working a hive... don't try that at home!  There's a fine line between 
arousing the bees with too little smoke, calming them with just the 
right amount, and infuriating them with too much smoke.  Or the wrong 
kind of smoke.  And smokers quit smoking at very awkward times.

There's a commercially available aerosol product (I think it's made by 
Raid) that claims to shoot a stream 25 feet... it really works.  In my 
experience, the little buggers die on first contact.

The only good point (re: the original poster's problem) is that you're 
fighting wasps -- their colonies usually have only a hundred or so 
stingers, while honeybee colonies will have upwards of 15,000.

Good luck

ObCONTESTing... does anybody know if the score sheets for the QRP ARCI 
contest can be submitted online?

7.3             <-- that's the qrp version  :)
Bob   ki5ez

>From Jim Hollenback" <jholly at hposl62.cup.hp.com  Thu Oct 19 21:28:18 1995
From: Jim Hollenback" <jholly at hposl62.cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:28:18 -0700
Subject: Re[2]: Hornet's Nest of Controversy...
References: <ea572620 at acxiom.com>
Message-ID: <9510191328.ZM29668 at hpwsmjh1.cup.hp.com>

On Oct 19,  2:19pm, RHILTO at acxiom.com wrote:
> The only good point (re: the original poster's problem) is that you're
> fighting wasps -- their colonies usually have only a hundred or so
> stingers, while honeybee colonies will have upwards of 15,000.
yeah, but wasps are like the energizer bunny ... they just keep working.
Bees, OTOH, do it once and never again. I would leave them alone until
the CONTEST season is well under way.

73, Jim, WA6SDM
jholly at cup.hp.com

>From gdo at aloft.att.com (Glenn D. O'Donnell)  Thu Oct 19 14:16:37 1995
From: gdo at aloft.att.com (Glenn D. O'Donnell) (Glenn D. O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:16:37 EDT
Subject: N3BDA PA QSO Party
Message-ID: <9510191316.AA05554 at dasher>

Here's the final tally from N3BDA for the PA QSO Party:

Call: N3BDA      County: CAR     Club: Carbon ARC

    160      4 CW   22 SSB           64 Counties (missed DCO, PHI & SOM)
     80     12 CW  145 SSB           34 ARRL/RAC Sections
     40      8 CW  180 SSB            1 DX
     20      0 CW   18 SSB
            389 QSOs = 409 QSO Points * 99 Multipliers + 400 W3YA Bonus

             Total Score = 40,891 points

	Icom IC-736 - 100W - into an 80m dipole at 30 feet

The bands really went into the crapper for a few hours on Sunday.  Otherwise
my score would've been much better.  I also forgot that 2m and 6m counted or
I would've had at least a few more Q's (I doubt if I would've made more mults).

Highlights:  Making a few CW QSOs (hey, that's a big deal for me!).
             I had 5 minutes till the end of the contest when I resigned
             myself to not passing the 40K mark.  I had 39,400 points and
             I grabbed a clear freq on 80m phone for a last ditch run.
             I got that miracle in the form of a furious pileup and passed
             40K.  I even landed a new mult in that run!
             It was fun operating from my rare county.  It seemed I was a
             new mult for everyone!

Is someone summarizing scores?  If not, I will.
	Best 73 de Glenn O'Donnell, N3BDA

>From Bob Patten <z002816b at bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>  Thu Oct 19 19:07:29 1995
From: Bob Patten <z002816b at bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> (Bob Patten)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Chip-Talker
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9510191404.B22882-0100000 at bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>

	I got my Chip Talker PC board from Peter Jennings and it looks 
really nice.  Unfortunately, I did not keep my 1991 issues of QST.  Can 
anyone help me with a copy of the article?

	Bob Patten, N4BP
	2841 N.W. 112 Terrace
	Plantation, FL  33323

Bob Patten
bobpatt at bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

>From Curtis C. Roseman" <croseman at bcf.usc.edu  Fri Oct 20 01:15:41 1995
From: Curtis C. Roseman" <croseman at bcf.usc.edu (Curtis C. Roseman)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:15:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Section
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951019165227.21061C-100000 at mizar.usc.edu>

Jim, et al.: In 1982 I did made some calculations on the actual (1970 and 
1980) and projected (1990) ham populations by state, and crude estimates 
by section.  On the basis of the results I recommended to Dave Sumner of 
the ARRL that some of the larger ARRL sections be divided.  [Specifically 
the data suggested dividing Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington in 
two; and adding a third section to both Texas and Florida--these actions 
would have evened-out the top end of the ham population distribution 
among sections.]   Dave wrote back: "...sections having large amateur 
populations might be future candidates for subdivision, as long as any 
new sections thus created had at least 2,000 members.  There's no strong 
reason for making sections equivalent in size..."

     My projections for 1990 were a bit off, but the basic idea was 
sound.  I would be glad to share, by old fashioned mail, my analysis with 
anybody who requests it.    73,   Curt Roseman, k9aks

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Jim Stahl wrote:

> So NNY is politically, socially, geographically, and culturally
> distinct from WNY?   Well, let me ponder Ohio.
> We up here in NOH are also quite different from our brothers down
> in SOH.  We tend to vote for Democrats while down in Cincinnati
> its all Republican.  Show a picture with an exposed female breast
> in a museum down there and the sheriff will be on the scene in no
> time.  We just opened the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in
> Cleveland.  It snows more up here. We've built a new stadium and
> at long last have a good baseball team.  They have Marge Schott
> and somehow have a pretty good team in spite of it. And they make
> their pitchers bat like everyone else!
> So if I expand this train of thought to 100 pages can we get Ohio
> split into two sections?
> Could one of the ARRL director types explain how the decision to
> split a section is made?  I would have thought there were at
> least several dozen cases stronger than the NNY/WNY one.
> CU in SS from the rare Ohio section.
> And in Seattle, as in CONTESTing, skill prevailed over decibels.  
>                           GO INDIANS!
>         Jim    K8MR      k8mr at barf80.nshore.org
> ----------------------------
> Jim Stahl
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