Sportsmen:

[K8DO at aol.com]

My personal opinion....
Pre-arranging a qso prior to a contest is an act of collusion and is as
invalid as calling them on the telephone during the contest...the fact that
the act of collusion occurs, temporally, prior to the contest period, does
not excuse the conduct...if the act is invalid during the contest, it is
invalid per se...Any form of aid in locating a contact is unsportsmanlike...
It is no different in kind than shooting a sitting bird, or using dynamite in
the old fishing hole, or sneaking a look at the examination paper of the guy
on your left... 


Anticipating some  reactions:
To argue that no radio contest can be totally fair because some will always
have bigger towers and live on a 400 foot cliff above the atlantic ocean,
etc., etc, etc. , therefore all contesting is 'no holds barred' , is specious
and intellectually dishonest... and is not an argument which carries any
weight with me...

Addendum:
If you choose to comment, this topic is about specific contesting
principles... Not personalities, calls, or specific countries...Please
arrange your remarks accordingly...

Denny  K8DO at AOL.COM



>From robert <w5robert at blkbox.COM>  Sat Sep  9 19:42:17 1995
From: robert <w5robert at blkbox.COM> (robert)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:42:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sportsmen:
Message-ID: <9509091342.aa21626 at blkbox.COM>

Denny, Iwould like to comment on making skeds before the contest.
As I understand the CQ WW rules, It's OK for CQ WW.
See K3EST's CQ WW Contest Handbook, page 47 (94 edition on pg 47)

-- 
73 Robert  WB5CRG  w5robert at blkbox.com   

>From Will Sill <will at epix.net>  Sat Sep  9 20:20:05 1995
From: Will Sill <will at epix.net> (Will Sill)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sportsmen:
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950909150619.23189A-100000 at mango.epix.net>


On Sat, 9 Sep 1995 K8DO at aol.com wrote:

> My personal opinion....
> Pre-arranging a qso prior to a contest is an act of collusion and is as
> invalid as calling them on the telephone during the contest...the fact that
> the act of collusion occurs, temporally, prior to the contest period, does
> not excuse the conduct...if the act is invalid during the contest, it is
> invalid per se...Any form of aid in locating a contact is unsportsmanlike...
> It is no different in kind than shooting a sitting bird, or using dynamite in
> the old fishing hole, or sneaking a look at the examination paper of the guy
> on your left... 

		<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am very much inclined to agree.  The INTENT to "cheat" may not be there,
but it's my opinion that arranging contest skeds is one of the practices
that takes away from the spirit of contesting significantly.  It gives an
edge - an unfair one, IMO, to individuals with the time and resources to
"line up"  the ducks in advance - very much like setting out a salt lick
for deer season.  

Myself, I would like to hope that another amateur who outscores me in my
class did so because he/she was a more proficient operator and not because
of having a clandestine "pit crew" smoothing the track ahead of time. It
doesn't mean a lot for me to "win" unless it's just me and my radio!

will at epix.net - KD3XR - W F Sill, Tunkhannock, PA

>From Igor Sokolov" <igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su  Sat Sep  9 02:27:09 1995
From: Igor Sokolov" <igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sat,  9 Sep 1995 07:27:09 +0600 (MSD)
Subject: ??TS-430 Final transistors
Message-ID: <ADjrEKmWFG at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su>

A friend of mine RU9CO got a problem with final of his TS-430 that stops him
from participating in the contests. Can somebody please send me  specs
on 2SC2290 transistors which are used in that radio. What is the possible substitute?
How much does it cost (a pair). Knowing the specs we may find some Russian
substitute (I hope...).
Please, reply  directly to me, not to overload the reflector traffic.
Thanks in advance.

--
Best regards,
Igor Sokolov,  UA9CDC , (N3TOD)
E-mail: igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su
Phone/Fax: 3432 229621


>From Igor Sokolov" <igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su  Sat Sep  9 01:16:52 1995
From: Igor Sokolov" <igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sat,  9 Sep 1995 06:16:52 +0600 (MSD)
Subject: Sportsmen
Message-ID: <ABqpDKmWFG at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su>

Hi Denny,
I predict, this is going to be a long thread

>Pre-arranging a qso prior to a contest is an act of collusion and is as
>invalid as calling them on the telephone during the contest...the fact that
>the act of collusion occurs, temporally, prior to the contest period, does
>not excuse the conduct...if the act is invalid during the contest, it is
>invalid per se...

How about making your call known by operating between the contests or
letting others know that you are going to operate in the contest. Or did
you only mean land line calls and mail and other "non-Ham related" methods?

>Any form of aid in locating a contact is unsportsmanlike...

I was always wondering if it is unsportsmenlike during CW contest to ask
someone, operating on SSB to give you 001 CW QSO.

>It is no different in kind than shooting a sitting bird, or using dynamite in

Or maybe it is just preparing your shooting position and finding out the
WX forcast?

>Denny  K8DO at AOL.COM

--
Best regards,
Igor Sokolov,  UA9CDC , (N3TOD)
E-mail: igor at sokol.pssr.e-burg.su
Phone/Fax: 3432 229621


>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)  Sat Sep  9 20:52:01 1995
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) (Derek Wills)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:52:01 -0500
Subject: Sportsmen

	>>I predict, this is going to be a long thread

It was fairly long the last 2 or 3 times this came up.   Sigh.
If the last time's exchanges are archived, someone should just
send that to anyone who is interested, I'm sure nothing new has
happened since last time.

See at least one of you in the Sprint (contest) -

Derek AA5BT, G3NMX
oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu

>From Larry Tyree <tree at cmicro.com>  Sun Sep 10 07:05:16 1995
From: Larry Tyree <tree at cmicro.com> (Larry Tyree)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 23:05:16 -0700
Subject: Sprint score rumors
Message-ID: <199509100605.XAA13107 at cascade.cmicro.com>


Here are the scores that were captured on 3829 after the NCJ CW Sprint. 

If you have any additions, you can send them to kc7kmc at cmicro.com.

K5GA            295	45	13275	
KC5NWX (KR0Y)   269	49	13181	LP (WOW!)
K7UP            263	45	11835	
WN4KKN          241	47	11327	LP
K2ZJ            263	43	11309	
W2RQ            267	42	11214	
KT3Y            255	43	10965	
N6XI            247	44	10868	
NM5M            253	42	10626	
K0RF            230	46	10580	LP
AC6T            245	43	10535	
K6XO            248	42	10416	
N6RO            254	40	10160	
N6VR            254	40	10160	
N4OGW           246	41	10086	
K6LL            245	41	10045	LP
KC5PRF (K5GN)   232	42	9744	LP
AC8E (K8MR)     231	41	9471	
K9ZO            230	41	9430	
KC7KMC (N6TR)   227	41	9307	LP OpAid6
KB0SRK          238	39	9282	LP
N8SR            237	39	9243	
NN7L            237	39	9243	
WB5SQG (K5ZD)   221	40	8840	LP
AH3C            231	38	8778	LP
KC5OYM (N5RZ)   208	42	8736	LP BUG
KA6LAF (N6AA)   198	44	8712	LP
VE4VV           229	38	8702	
KA9FOX          221	39	8619	
NV6O            215	40	8600	
W0UA            238	36	8568	LP
WA2SRQ          219	38	8322	LP
W5NN (KB5YVT)   198	42	8316	LP
KE6UCF (N6TV)   205	39	7995	LP
AA7BG           191	37	7067	LP
N6YK            178	 0	??	
W6MVW           174	39	6786	
WK6V            160	42	6720	
WR3O            163	34	5542	
N6TR (K2MM)     140	39	5460	
K1IU            128	 0	??	
VE5SF           125	33	4125	
K6LRN           115	30	3450	LP
KE7X             66	27	1782	
WX9E              0	 0	0	VLP

Tree KC7KMC
kc7kmc at cmicro.com