Another Attack on Contesting and non-contest QRG

Sean E. Kutzko tigger at
Sat Apr 6 18:19:41 EST 1996

Mats, SM7PKK, wrote:

>I thought that we already had a non-contesting band above 14.300 and is
>there not already=20
>a /mm net on one of those higher frequencies so the problem is solved.

Hmm...I dunno. During the WPX SSB test, I (and many others) spent a 
significant amount of time CQ'ing above 14.300. If there is an "official" 
policy dissuading contesting above 14.300, I haven't heard about it.

I think non-contest frequencies is, much to my (and others) dismay, an 
issue we are going to have to deal with soon. There has already been a 
precedent for non-contest freq's set with the elimination of 28.300 to 
28.350 during the ARRL 10 Meter contest. I imagine this elimination of 
spectrum during contest weekends will likely increase, despite what I 
think are reasonable arguments why there SHOULDN'T be restrictions. Then 
again, not everybody sees this issue in the same light; ask any 
participant in a weekend net.


Sean Kutzko						 Amateur Radio: KF9PL
Urbana, IL       WWW=   DXCC:306 wkd/302 cfmd
		"Maybe you'll find your way someday...
      	 but while you're at it, you'll have some fun." -Little Feat

>From SM7PKK <mats.persson at>  Mon Apr  8 01:18:43 1996
From: SM7PKK <mats.persson at> (SM7PKK)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 02:18:43 +0200
Subject: QDC
Message-ID: < at>


I think finding the balance is the way to go.

Having used KH8/SM7PKK in a contest I found the following categories of
people in the pileup.

   #1) The guy who already knows who you are.
   #2) The guy who drops his call into every pileup, many of
       which become "QSO B4".=20
   #3) The guy who says "what's your damn call", then moves up
       band when you give it because he has already worked you.

    #4) People who are waiting to figure out who you are before
        they start calling.

    #5) Spectators.

        add the following

    #6) The guys who didn=B4t have a clue at all even after they heard my
call??!! in slow                 pace. KS8/SMPKK KH8PK/SM A.S.O  the list
never ends. My voice must have been very bad!

    #7) People who don=B4t give a damn and start calling on your QRG even
though you have
         a pileup.

    #8) The guys whom after you just signed your callsign will break in
asking who you are?!
        These guys will show up even if you give your callsign in every QSO!=
        Very common in EU.

By the way have any of you guys tested making a fake pileup outside a
contest? I tried that several years ago with a surprising result to me at
the time. I speeded up like crazy on the keyer on CW, signed my callsign
quick and then tried only to QRZ not giving the callsign for about 8-9
minutes at home. What happened? Well I got a pileup. Why, because people
work first and worry later! after the 8-9 minutes I signed my callsign in
slow pace and several people asked what the occasion was a few got angry but
most laughed at it.=20

The point made is that having people on the QRG working you will create more
people because they want to work you even if it might not be rare as long as
you are making a good rate so they think they have a chance for a quick QSO.
This might actually be an idea to raise the QSO-rates from not so rare
places. You can sometimes see this if you change operator in a multi station
(assuming it is not a top notch one). One of the experienced operators might
get a pileup due to intensity and skill while the not so experienced call
and get nothing only due to how he is calling and reacting to the people
calling him. Missing all letters on a station who is 59+20 is not a good
idea if you want to keep the rest of the people interested in working you
unless you are very rare.

I have several times noted that pileups can die down very quickly even
though I know that there must have been atleast 10 - 20 more guys to work.=

73 de Mats SM7PKK
SM7PKK			E-mail: mats.persson at
Mats Persson
S-212 14 Malmoe
Sweden			CW !!

P.S My logs are open forever.. ever.. ever..

>From David O. Hachadorian" <74752.115 at  Sun Apr  7 00:25:34 1996
From: David O. Hachadorian" <74752.115 at (David O. Hachadorian)
Date: 06 Apr 96 19:25:34 EST
Subject: measuring coax cable loss
Message-ID: <960407002533_74752.115_EHL130-1 at CompuServe.COM>

A recent posting mentioned water in the coax and measuring
coax cable loss. Here's a quick method for checking
cable loss from inside the shack, with the antennas connected.
The basic concept was described somewhere in QST in the past few

Plug your Autec or AEA analyzer into the feedline in the shack
and tune it to a frequency where it shows a peak SWR. At this
frequency, the antenna, whatever it is, will be a damn good
approximation (DGA) of an open or short circuit. The frequency
doesn't have to be in the ham bands. Start at 30 MHz and work
down. Plug the SWR into the following equation which is for
calculating loss in a shorted or open line:

                      SWR + 1
Loss in dB = 10 log  --------
                      SWR - 1

For example, suppose you find a big peak in the SWR (7 to 1)
at 25 MHz.

loss =  10 log  ----

loss = 1.25 dB

All you have to do now is to figure out what the loss would be
in a brand new piece of coax of the same length at 25 MHz. 
Just look it up in the coax charts, then decide if it's worth
while to replace the old cable with a new one. 

Knowing your feedline loss is like knowing your cholesterol
number. If it's bad, you should do something about it. If it's
good, it provides peace of mind, especially when there's
a lull in responses to your CONTEST cq's, and you're wondering
what's going on.

Dave, K6LL
74752.115 at

>From Doug Grant <0006008716 at>  Sun Apr  7 01:00:00 1996
From: Doug Grant <0006008716 at> (Doug Grant)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 20:00 EST
Subject: What's Your Call?
Message-ID: <65960407010056/0006008716DC1EM at MCIMAIL.COM>

>From the high-rate DX end, I sing the call differently to adapt to the nature
of the pile-up calling.

Big pile of Type-A Americans: sign the call as fast as possible. Slur difficult
syllables (an old tip from N6AA, who mumbled "9 Y 4 Vikker Tanno" to a string
of CQWW wins). ONce in a while, slow it down so the spectators or others who
can't quite get your call can get it. ONce in a while being about once per
5 Qs or minute, whichever comes later.

THinner pile-up: Enunciate clearly to attract the spectators and slowpokes,
and keep the rate up.

THe only time to *NOT* sogn your call is when you legitimately copy several
calls (preferably full, or at least unambiguous).

PJ9B: peezhaynibee
PJ9B: K1AR fi-ni-ni
K1AR: 595
PJ9B: OK, now KC1XX fi-ni-ni
KC1XX: 5905
PJ9B: PJ9B  (usually in clear-enunciate mode, so people blinded by what just
happened can get back in sync)

Aside from that very rare exception (unless you are an amazingly gifted op able
to routinely copy two or more full calls simultaneously), there is simply no
reason to omit your call from every Q).

Doug K1DG

>From vk4lw at (ricky chilcott)  Sun Apr  7 03:05:26 1996
From: vk4lw at (ricky chilcott) (ricky chilcott)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:05:26 +1000
Subject: Contest station included in VK accommodation.
Message-ID: <199604070205.MAA05389 at>

If you ever wanted to operate a contest in another country with every thing
setup and provided, have a look a this site has
lots of pictures of the location. The owner has just installed wire beams on
75m and 40m at the 900feet above see level location.

It also has a message about the winner of the 1995 All Asian DX contest
single op which was won at this station.

73's Rick VK4LW

>From Esteban J. Morao" <yv5dta at  Sun Apr  7 03:22:23 1996
From: Esteban J. Morao" <yv5dta at (Esteban J. Morao)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:22:23 -0500
Subject: IC 706 on contest and Amps...
Message-ID: <01BB2407.E447C3A0 at>

Has anyone try the 706 with an Amplifier during contest?
I will like to know how reliable the rig with linears...
send comments to me (either good or bad) and I will post a summary later
yv5dta at

Steve Romagni Morao BSMIS
Systems Analyst 
Allders International
e-mail:yv5dta at


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