Physician's Certifications and VE Instru

[k4sb at avana.net]

Bart, if it ever comes to my signing an application which is plainly fradulent, I
will refuse, and will resign as a VE, and take my chances. I seriously doubt either 
either the Doctor who signed the waiver, or the applicant in such a case would take 
a chance in filing legal action. That would leave both of them open to some pretty
intense cross examination. I have seen just too much plain cheating ranging from 
hidden tape recorders ( if you take the CW enough times, you'll have all the copy ) 
to individuals with programmable calculators in which they have actually programmed 
the answers in a simple code ( ie) 1=A, 2=B, ect. Not to mention too much time 
staring at a friend who came along sitting there giving hand signals with their 
fingers.

It is also interesting to note, although I'm not sure it's germane to this 
subject, that while downloading the FCC database in my business, there are an
extraordinary number of sessions which are completely invalidated by W5YI. Not just
a single individual, but the entire session.

In contrast, I once had the pleasure of hand administering an Extra class exam to
an individual who was both blind and deaf. He absolutely refused to claim an
exemption. ( he brought a 200 watt amp, and almost had to turn it to full power
before he began feeling the vibrations...but he did, and he turned in almost 
perfect copy.)

Thanks for the info on individual behavior by the VEs.

73, Ed
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Name: ed sleight
E-mail: k4sb at avana.net
Date: 06/07/96
Time: 20:37:22

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>From tree at lady.blindchicken.com (Larry Tyree)  Fri Jun  7 21:51:05 1996
From: tree at lady.blindchicken.com (Larry Tyree) (Larry Tyree)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SprINT results
Message-ID: <199606072051.NAA19058 at lady.blindchicken.com>


No, you hvean't missed the SprINT results.  They have been delayed 
due to K2MM being off the internet.  But he is back and we should
have them soon.

Does anyone know how to un-scribe from the VEC reflector?

Tree

>From george at epix.net (AA3JU)  Fri Jun  7 22:04:03 1996
From: george at epix.net (AA3JU) (AA3JU)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:04:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FRAUDULENT MEDICAL CERTIFICATION
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960607171626.26970c32 at epix.net>

At 12:12 AM 6/7/96 +0000, you wrote:

>
>As a physician/VE who has proctored at least 75 exam sessions, I 
>think I'm uniquely qualified to deal with this issue.  I have yet 
>to personally be presented with a signed exemption form, although 
>our team has dealt with a couple when I wasn't there.  I do know, 
>however, that many people whose "disabilities" do not, in my 
>medical opinion, warrant an exemption have gotten them anyway.

I would like to add this to the discussion.  It's a little story about an
American hero who is a friend of mine.  Not a big hero but one of my
personal heros.  This fellows name is Dayrl and he holds the amateur call
N3NNI.  Now if you look him up hou will find that he holds a General class
ticket.  I suppose that in and of itself is not all that extraordanry untill
you find out that Dayrl is a quadrapaligic.

Dayrl though absolutely eligable for the exemption since he cannot hold a
pencil well enough to write quickly decided that he would in fact take the
code test with everyone else.  He failed many times he just could not write
what he heard fast enough to do him much good.  Eventually he learned how to
copy an entire 5 minute transmission in his head.  And then ever so
painfully slow write it down on paper and take the fill in the blank test.

I don't know about anyplace else but I know of only 2 people who used the
exemption.  Niether of them deserve it a bit.  And one is now climbing the
ranks of the ARRL.  But locally on a ham to ham level we know them for what
they are and trust me they are not made to feel real welcome around "real"
hams.  I was asked by one once why they were ostricized.  I pointed over to
Dayrl in his  wheelchair and said "go ask him"  And I walked away.

George
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>From jholly at hposl62.cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback)  Fri Jun  7 22:36:00 1996
From: jholly at hposl62.cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback) (Jim Hollenback)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:36:00 -0700
Subject: test
Message-ID: <9606071436.ZM506 at hpwsmjh1.cup.hp.com>

testing ... testing ... can you hear me in the back?