fast and loose SS exchanges
Keith Morehouse - W9RM
blckhole at ripco.com
Mon Nov 18 14:50:38 EST 1996
Lee Buller wrote:
>
> I'm not to sure that you're correct in your assumption that the CALL
> SIGN has to be GIVEN in the exchange and in the exact order.
I've always been of the opinion that the CALLSIGN WAS PART OF THE
EXCHANGE in SS. If you don't send it, you're not playing by the rules.
This is pretty simple - is my opinion CORRECT or INCORRECT ??
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>From sbookout at mnsinc.com (Steve Bookout) Mon Nov 18 20:54:43 1996
From: sbookout at mnsinc.com (Steve Bookout) (Steve Bookout)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:54:43 -0500
Subject: Incomplete Exchange
Message-ID: <199611182054.PAA17552 at user2.mnsinc.com>
>Why not just the state. No call, report, anything else. After all, the
>intent of contesting is a big 'Q' total. Certainly not to gain
>proficiency as an operator! de KL7HF
>
>
>
A couple of comments and observations about this subject.
I don't think the focus of this contest and contesting in general is the
same as it was 40 yrs ago. Ops probably took pride in their ability to
handle traffic accuratly. Now, traffic handling is kind of a dinosaur; very
few do it.
Now the need is QUANTITY not quality. If that is what the 'masses' want,
great. Then lobby to get the rules changed.
If you can't play by the exiting rules, even if they don't 100% fit the
current times, then don't play. There are enough other contests with
different rules and exchanges to suit everyone.
Experienced Ops shouldn't try to justify non conformance to the rules with
excuses.
Again, if you don't like the rules, change them. Petition the League.
The only acceptable reason for anyone doing this is igorance. Which is
really ok, cuz it just means you don't have the knowledge. This can be
learned. This should cover the 'newbie'.
If you know the rules and you KNOWINGLY decide to do otherwise, it's
cheating, even if your fellow contester will accept it. Obviously, it's not
the worst manner of cheating, but in terms of 'black and white', it's cheating.
Some people seem to think that cheating is the same as contesting skill and
savvy. It's not.
73 from '2 cent alley', Steve, NJ4F
>From stevel at srsdcst0.sr.hp.com (Steve Lund) Mon Nov 18 21:07:49 1996
From: stevel at srsdcst0.sr.hp.com (Steve Lund) (Steve Lund)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:07:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QSO B4!!!!
Message-ID: <199611182107.AA258991270 at srsdcst0.sr.hp.com>
In a message dated 96-11-18 12:51:01 EST, Steve, K7LXC wrote:
>
> >During the CW weekend of SS, particularly the last few hours, I
> >received too many QSO B4 responses. I understand how it can happen but
> >I preface my exchange with the call of the station I'm working.
> >While these Q's are not uniques are there any attempts made to correct
> >for Q's claimed by only one of the operators?
> >
>
> You call me while I'm running, I enter your call and CT pops up with
> **DUPE**, I don't work you. If I haven't worked you before, how did your
> call get into my computer?
>
This is easy to explain as it happened to me many times during CW SS. For
whatever reasons many CW stations respond off frequency. If two guys are
CQing 500 Hz or so apart, it is not unusual for to both think that they
are working the same station. I know who I called. After this happened
a half a dozen times, I used the [Insert] = F2 + F5 rather than just the
Exchange (F5) key. This sends the callsign of the station that I'm working
before the exchange.
I also used the Alt-N (Note) feature to mark those QSOs where I was sure
that two stations thought they worked me. This should make it easier for
the log checkers to remove the QSO from the logs of those stations that
really didn't work me.
73,
Steve K6UM (not WA8LLY/6)
>From thompson at mindspring.com (David L. Thompson) Mon Nov 18 21:33:16 1996
From: thompson at mindspring.com (David L. Thompson) (David L. Thompson)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:33:16 -0500
Subject: re-issue of K5MDX
Message-ID: <199611182120.QAA16582 at itchy.mindspring.com>
My old callsign K5MDX has been re-issued to the Magnolia Dx Association in
Mississippi. It was issued with condition that the group be very active in
all the contests. I told I'M I don't want any complaints.
Dave K4JRB
Firm believer in holding a call that matches the district if you must vanity!
>From jfenster at hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) Mon Nov 18 21:26:09 1996
From: jfenster at hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) (Jim Fenstermaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:26:09 -0800
Subject: Incomplete exchange
>To: thompson at mindspring.com (David L. Thompson)
>From: jfenster at hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker)
>Subject: Re: Incomplete exchange
>
>Do you really think a causual operator that gets between 1 and 75 QSOs
cares about being disqualified??? They are doing us a favor by giving us
contacts. Most (99.9%) of the serious and semi-serious contesters I worked
over the weekend gave the correct sequence.
>
>
73 DE Jim K9JF/7
Vancouver, WA
>From jfenster at hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) Mon Nov 18 21:33:28 1996
From: jfenster at hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) (Jim Fenstermaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:33:28 -0800
Subject: Incomplete Exchange
Why stop there...just exchange call signs and nothing else. Who would be
the first to break 500 on the rate meter? I would wait, with anxious
anticipation, to watch the rate meter wrap itself around the peg!!
Gee, what era do this put me in???
73 Jim K9JF/7
Vancouver, WA
>Why not just the state. No call, report, anything else. After all, the
>intent of contesting is a big 'Q' total. Certainly not to gain
>proficiency as an operator! de KL7HF
>
>
>
>Fatchett, Mike wrote:
>>
>> If this is the law. Then I think all we will get out of the call part
>> is the op saying the call as fast as possible, probably so fast that you
>> could not understand it anyway. What would be the point? If either
>> party fail to get the callsign correct the Q is no good anyway.
>>
>> If the ARRL wants another piece of information copied they could use your
>> name, city, mothers maiden name, and get as much out of the exchange.
>>
>> Personally I think the exchange is cumbersome enough and overall scares
>> off many would be participants. A casual op probably has no idea what
>> the "A" or the "B" are for, nor the "Check". If we want more
>> participants why don't we make it easier for the masses to join in?
>> Nobody wants to look like a fool be asking a ton of questions or feeling
>> like they are being grilled by the FBI just for a simple contact.
>>
>> Mike
>> W0MU
>> Sorry I missed you all in SS :(
>
>
>From floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) Mon Nov 18 21:38:07 1996
From: floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:38:07 -0400
Subject: ARRL SS SSB Scores I
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961118213807.38170824 at interpath.com>
ARRL SWEEPSTAKES SSB 96
RAW SCORES
Compiled by
WA4ZXA
(floydjr at interpath.com)
Date Posted: 11/18/96
CALL OP/SECT SCORE QS0'S SECTS HRS
_______________________________________________________________
S/OP/QRP/Q
K7MM EWA 62,928 437 72 23
AA7VY 52,052 338 77 24
KX9X IN 48,708 343 71 20
KT4LD NC 44,928 288 78 13
S/OP/LP/A
W7ZRC ID 215,748 1383 78 24
WA4ZXA NC 191,568 1228 78 22
AB5SE AR 144,760 940 77 24
WO4O TN 123,864 794 78 24
K9JF WWA 110,136 706 78 12
WB5M WTX 101,384 667 76 16
KK7A ID 87,600 584 75 9
WA7BNM LAX 82,368 528 78 13
KS4XG 77,816 548 71 24
KW9KW 69,632 512 68
WD4AHZ SFL 55,500 370 75 18
K7ZO ID 54,908 371 74 15
W7II ID 47,286 333 71 24
AE4MH SFL 34,320 264 65 19
W9SZ IL 15,660 135 58 5
K2DB WNY 12,168 78 78 8
S/OP/HP/B
N5KA STX 306,228 1963 78 24
N4UK SC 265,696 1748 76
KG6LF SV 257,444 1649 78 24
K4ZA (@N4ZC) NC 254,102 1663 78 24
N9ITX/7 MT 241,800 1550 78 20
N4AF NC 234,156 1501 78
K4MA NC 221,988 1423 78
K0HB MN 212,316 1361 78 23
WS7W WY 103,950 693 75 14
AC5CT 102,000
K4IQ VA 93,900 626 75 11
N1CC ENY 82,680 530 78 10
K3AR EPA 72,852 467 78 14
WB0O ND 58,624 458 64
KB5ZUD OK 41,400 301 69 12
K9EY IN 23,808 189 64 6
N9GG DE 10,622 113 47
NS0B MO 5,642 91 31
K7RAT 252 68
MULTI/OP
K6RCC SV 323,388 2073 78 24
VA6JY (@VE6JY) AB 209,900 1377 78 24
K3MD 178,932 1147 78
K4OJ SFL 125,424 804 78
W4NF VA 84,084 546 77 14
N5YY NTX 39,312 273 72 12
WT1O EMA 22,032 204 54
*********************************************************************
MULTI/OPERATOR List
N5YY N5NJ,KC5BWU
WT1O N1KRT,KV1X,KA1ZAK,WT1O
*********************************************************************
REMEMBER IF YOU DO NOT PUT YOUR CLASS ON YOUR SCORE, Q,A,or B YOU GO
INTO THE HIGH POWER CLASS !!!!!!!
73 Jim
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* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Packet Node: >> N4ZC << *
* Internet Address: >> floydjr at interpath.com << *
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>From wngk19 at idt.liberty.com (Paul E. Dorey, WN6K) Mon Nov 18 23:51:24 1996
From: wngk19 at idt.liberty.com (Paul E. Dorey, WN6K) (Paul E. Dorey, WN6K)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:51:24 -0800
Subject: Incomplete Exchange
References: <199611182054.PAA17552 at user2.mnsinc.com>
Message-ID: <3290F67C.44FB at idt.liberty.com>
Steve Bookout wrote:
>.... Then lobby to get the rules changed.
>.... Petition the League.
> Kinda like the golfers on the tv commercial ... "I got a par and didn't hit
the ball once?"
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>From aa8u at voyager.net (AA8U) Mon Nov 18 22:27:23 1996
From: aa8u at voyager.net (AA8U) (AA8U)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: SSTV Window
Message-ID: <199611182227.RAA13990 at vixa.voyager.net>
The first attempt to post this bounced, if this is a dupe you all have my
sincere apology.
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Hello Fellow Contesters,
I noticed the usual assortment of anti-contest "turf protectors" this
weekend during SS SSB.
This is not news, but I think I found a new "SSTV window" at or about 3812.
Maybe there is a legitimate band plan allocation there for SSTV, if so I was
not aware of it. Even if there is, the deliberate QRM and maliciously
comments, one of the milder ones: "I'm sick of hearing you! Move your
f...... contest" etc. This verbal abuse was followed by hours of sporadic
SSTV transmissions, timed to try and cover up the stations I was working.
Fortunately, the antenna system here allowed me to continue without too much
difficulty. My 80M rate did suffer some, but I just hung in there. In hind
sight, this might have been dumb.
I didn't notice any contester "clones" with DVP's this time. Maybe I just
don't get around enough.
If I were less of a good citizen, I would pick up and admire SSTV equipment
at the next hamfest and "accidently" drop it and step on it. But, this is
just a fantasy of mine...so far. hi
I heard others being abused so I wasn't singled out especially.
Anyone care to share their experiences and advice?
73,
Bruce
aa8u at voyager.net
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