Another 80 m question
W8JITom at aol.com
W8JITom at aol.com
Fri Jan 31 10:49:03 EST 1997
In a message dated 97-01-31 07:36:06 EST, you write:
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>I am really very confused about elevated radials. Some hams claim that 4
>radials
>elevated are equivalent to 120 buried and others state that there is no
>"free lunch".
That's part of life Carlos. I race cars for a hobby. People at the race
tracks give advice like "cigar ashes in the oil helps an engine make power"
and they swear they actually witnessed it.
Antenna's are the same way. It's fun to play around and form opinions, and to
model antennas, but the only proof is in a measurement. Even feedpoint
resistance means next to nothing in a complex resonant system. The only thing
that matters is field strength, something rarely measured.
>What intigrates me is the fact that you proved by numbers what
>you state.
In one case of an A-B test with only the radials changed, yes. But it is
supported by a few other things.
At WVNJ AM, when they went from six elevated radials to 60 test radials on
the ground, field strength picked up almost 7 dB at some locations and 5 dB
average over the entire pattern.
During measurements for Goodyear Aerospace, Carl Smith of Smith electronics
concluded, by real FS measurement, a properly optimized small counterpoise
system on the AM broadcast band was 7 dB down from a theoretically perfect
ground system.
As second hand information, N7CL posted some measurements made for the
military at upper HF. The conclusion (using helicopters in flyovers for FS
measurements) was small elevated systems were 5 to 6 dB down from a
conventional system.
One other Ham in PA actually made an A-B measurement of field strength on 160
meters and concluded about the same thing. (Lucky guy had his college
students help with the tests, hi)
I know about a dozen people who have went from small elevated systems to
medium to large conventional systems and strongly feel (but without FS
measurements) the same thing. N8ATR was the latest to believe that. WA2IZL is
another. N4SU another.
>As an Engineer (production engineer) I need numbers and experimentations to
>believe in something, just like you.
My working life is spent measuring things to prove concepts. I have become
sceptical of any claim provided without independent second source
conformation, hi. Since I could find any data, I decided to make my own test.
Throughout ALL of the elevated radial articles, all I find are NEC models or
long esoteric data chains. Direct A-B comparisons are totally lacking. The
closest I've found are a few plots of estimated field strength from FCC
estimated ground conductivity charts compared to real world measurements. But
that data is taken through some very conservative steps.
Less work or magic cures sell themselves, it takes little scientific
justification to make a single simple universal cure sound good.
More work is always a hard sell. People usually need to be convinced extra
effort is necessary. Life is a contest.
73 Tom
>From floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) Fri Jan 31 15:49:25 1997
From: floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:49:25 -0400
Subject: CQ 160 CW 97 Scores IV
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970131154925.1947b384 at interpath.com>
1997 CQ 160 METER CW CONTEST
Raw Scores
Compiled by WA4ZXA
<floydjr at interpath.com)
Date Posted 01/31/97
CALL HRS SCORE Q'S PTS ST/VE DX
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
SOP/QRP
N1TM 13 19,240 230 520 34 3
N4CM 13 13,024 160 34 3
K3WWP 8 6,300 117 252 25
N3ADL 2 2,596 53 22 0
KD1IA 7 1,768 74 168 73 1
SOP/HP
P40WA 28 1,050,000 980 56 66
OT7T 934,500 1119 49 76
VE3EJ (G4UXE) 781,911 1150 6683 57 60
GM3YOR 20 742,176 988 6872 47 61
G0IVZ 22 508,434 812 5034 43 58
LY2ZZ (LY2BTA) 33 506,979 856 32 67
G4BYG 456,084 677 4223 38 70
VE9AA 24 455,712 784 4512 54 47
9A2TW 18 346,775 597 3575 29 68
JY9QJ 193,050 392 3575 2 52
LA9GX 10 166,026 458 2478 9 58
PA3DMH 9 67,536 222 1206 8 48
W3LPL (W4ZV) 34 513,798 1182 4507 56 58
K8CC (W8MJ) 38 451,215 1119 4065 56 55
N5JA 31 402,708 1055 3628 57 54
AA1K 38 390,276 1034 3516 57 54
W9RE 18 280,908 900 2754 57 45
K2WK 10 267,500 631 2675 52 48
WS9V 266,272 798 2512 57 49
AA8U 254,600 815 2546 56 44
K5ZD 10 246,574 590 2542 52 45
KM3T 22 243,360 702 2535 54 42
N7DD 222,310 815 30 54
NI8L 16 201,388 710 2189 54 38
WF3T 175,648 677 56 32
W8CAR 25 160,689 695 1847 55 32
KW9KW 18 148,785 611 1635 57 34
K4ZA 20 145,770 691 56 30
W8GN 136,890 669 1690 54 27
AA4S 15 134,070 641 53 29
W7GG 132,000 614 55 18
N6ZZ 131,887 567 1589 54 29
K3JT 14 123,570 459 55 35
WI9WI 16 122,213 607 1547 56 23
K3SV 16 118,607 501 1429 50 33
K5TT 16 102,804 490 54 24
N8EA 90,885 353 1095 51 32
N5UL 21 87,975 463 54 21
K9MA 5 81,510 352 1045 51 27
K6XT 61,248 366 50 16
K2ONP 59,283 281 941 43 20
N4BP 16 57,980 376 892 65
N5LZ 10 51,430 223 695 49 25
K4ODL 9 35,456 162 554 39 25
K7OX 11 32,648 238 583 45 11
WJ2O 2 6,188 78 33 1
SOP/LP
VE3CSK 34 155,844 388 1998 52 26
VE3KZ 15 133,980 380 1914 53 17
S50U 96,606 362 1789 0 54
S56A 10 54,537 231 1113 0 49
VE3OSZ 17 53,784 99 662 50 32
UR5IBG 12 39,732 190 924 0 43
TF3KX 10 15,352 77 404 5 33
VA3ZC 3 11,736 102 489 24 0
K1HTV 166,605 726 1915 56 31
N5IA 27 105,861 581 1491 54 17
K2KQ 27 81,326 419 1099 49 25
AB1U 12 80,676 314 996 49 32
WO1N 18 62,766 350 45 21
K0RC 10 58,149 405 923 56 7
WA2DFI 29 49,029 353 831 52 7
KJ9C 12 48,739 339 799 49 12
K9WIE 8 45,506 305 746 51 10
WA8YRS 16 45,468 389 842 54
K8MR 37,352 272 58
W0VU 36,336 318 757 41 7
WA0X 33,609 310 659 51 0
W5OT (WA5TWL) 32,208 206 528 61
KN4QV 7 25,312 184 452 47 9
WO4O 9 21,887 237 509 40 3
N0HF 21,372 177 411 46 6
WA6FGV 21,168 189 432 44 5
N2BIM 5 18,081 198 40 1
W3CP 8 17,466 193 426 39 2
KG8W 5 13,502 137 314 39 4
WA7UQV 8,052 102 33
N6HC 5 5,945 101 27 2
K1EP 4 3,496 76 152 23 0
W0MU 705 22 15 0
MultiOP/HP
OK5W 526,932 820 4879 38 70
SL3ZV 456,520 776 4520 30 71
PI4COM 304,202 592 27 62
KP4/K4UJ 298,015 512 52 43
JH9VSF/9 438 16 3 3
WW2Y 807,000 1363 57 73
W2GD 42 696,000 1391 5568 57 68
N1BB 555,960 1080 54 59
K3WW 25 406,339 1045 3628 56 56
NU8Z 371,742 1055 3507 57 49
K3CR 366,660 1090 3492 56 49
N3OC 361,140 991 57 53
W4WA 321,860 936 2926 57 53
W0CD 29 297,648 930 2862 57 47
AA0RS 265,000 802 57 41
W3GH 249,736 827 2356 57 49
N0NI 249,504 957 96
NQ4I 26 241,800 820 2418 57 43
N7JW 239,372 852 2884 56 27
NM9H 24 230,454 859 57 36
NA5B 23 227,766 885 2618 56 31
AA4V 201,500 710 57 43
K9BG 18 175,400 560 57 40
AA3B 143,376 627 1648 55 32
K4OJ 139,026 501 94
WC7M 137,385 814 55 16
K3KO 13 81,011 435 1041 45 26
AE6E 77,745 399 1095 47 27
KO7X 16 71,568 481 1136 53 10
N6KI 69,312 430 1083 52 12
K2BM 56,137 225 769 43 30
MultiOP/LP
AB5SE 17 51,420 383 857 53 7
KK5GT 11 24,429 208 479 47 4
Multi Opertor List
K40J N0AX,WC4E,W1CW,W1YL
AA4V AA4V,N4SF
N0NI N0NI,N0AC,W0FLS
NQ4I NQ4I,K4BAI,K2UFT
N1BB W1FJ,W1KM,NB1B,WT1O,N1BB
KO7X W7CT,KO7X
N7JW N7JW,K7CA
NU8Z NU8Z,N8CC,K8AQM,K8KS,KG8CO,K8AEM,W8MC
WC7M WC7M,W7GS,WU7Y
N3OC N3OC,KE3Q,WV3B
W0CD K8GG,W8UVZ,W0CD
NM9H NM9H,KX9X
W2GD N2AA,K2SQ,KU2C,W2GD,W2NO,K2TW
W3GH W3GH,W9XR
W8BAR AA4VV,W1TO,W8WEJ,W8VVE
AA0RS AA0RS,K0RF
WW2Y WW2Y,K1ZM,N2NU,N2NC,N2NT,W2REH,K2WI
KP4/K4UJ K4WA,K4UJ
PI4COM PA3BBP,PA3ERC
N6KI N6KI,KM6SN,WB6NBU,KM3G,N2MAU
AE6E AE6E,KE4ZQD
W4WA W4WA,AA4GA,KB4GID
SL3ZV SM3BDZ,SM3CVM,SM3JLA,SM3OJR,SMEVDX
K3CR KB3AFT,WA3HAE,WA3FET,NW3Z
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NO ATTACHEMENTS !!!! I will not post attached scores.
Do not post any scores to the Contest Reflector, only to me direct or to
the 3830 reflector.
These are NOT OFFICIAL SCORES so do not send me logs or anything like a
log. I am on affilated with the CQ Mag or the contest committee.
Remember if I get any scores with only Single Op or no class on it I will
put you in Single Op High Power.
I realize there is not such class as MultiOP/LP. It is only for the guys
who want to see how they placed against each other.
73 Jim
**********************************************************
* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Internet Address: >> floydjr at interpath.com << *
**********************************************************
>From floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) Fri Jan 31 15:49:35 1997
From: floydjr at Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:49:35 -0400
Subject: NAQP SSB Jan 97 Scores FINAL POSTING
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970131154935.34275c6a at interpath.com>
NAQP SSB 97
CLAIMED SCORES
Compiled by: WA4ZXA
<floydjr at interpath.com)
Date Posted: 01/31/97
******* FINAL POSTING *********
CALL SCORE QSOS MULTI
___________________________________________________________
Single/OP
K6LL 244,674 1242 197
N4ZZ 195,412 997 196
KW8N 188,513 853 221
AA8U 184,300 970 190
N9ITX/7 177,415 959 185
W6KY 168,165 909 185
K7UP (W5FX) 167,854 943 178
KE3Q 165,912 892 186
K4VUD 159,528 867 184
K3CR (KB3AFT) 149,776 814 184
K5OT 148,925 805 185
K5NZ 148,764 759 196
N4BP 144,000 1000 144
W8MJ 142,920 794 180
N5TU 141,069 797 177
K4NO 129,417 723 179
K7SV 123,417 653 189
WA0ETC 119,641 661 181
K4MA (@AA4NC) 119,368 694 172
WC4E 119,479 733 163
WA1LNP 118,169 700 169
WA7BNM 115,370 695 166
KT4ZX 113,031 661 171
K0RC 112,752 696 162
K6BZ 108,281 779 139
W6EEN 107,954 701 154
WA4ZXA 107,200 670 160
W6TKF 107,074 682 157
K4RO 105,000 600 175
N6HC 105,300 675 154
AB5SE 104,625 675 155
K4RO 104,400 600 174
N7LOX 104,328 644 162
KN4T 98,049 667 147
K5BN 97,500 650 150
K4WW 90,750 550 165
W5ASP 87,000 580 150
K5DX 78,384 552 152
WT1O 77,250 512 150
K4CU (@KA9EKJ) 74,632 491 152
K9MY 69,350 475 146
K0EJ 68,101 451 151
K8BK 67,000 500 134
KK7A 66,429 549 121
K1VUT 66,308 484 137
N5OKR/3 65,968 434 152
WO4O 65,712 444 148
KK1L 65,540 452 145
K1SD 62,064 431 144
VE7CFD 55,998 549 102
WA3SES 55,470 430 129
KK5GT 53,055 405 131
K1NO 53,040 442 120
W0CEM 50,304 384 131
KO7X 48,251 427 113
K9WIE 44,409 339 131
KG8CW 44,149 371 119
WD9HTC 44,080 380 116
KA9FOX (@K9MA) 44,000 400 110
N0AXL 42,713 353 121
K4HQ/QRP 41,151 319 129
VE6IM 40,950 390 105
WB0OLA 39,528 324 122
N3IXR 38,100 300 127
NK4P 37,526 308 122
N9YXA 36,064 322 112
W7ZRC 33,988 293 116
KD3GC 33,858 342 99
N5WD 32,718 287 114
KE4RHU 30,528 318 96
KS4XG 29,900 260 115
N4OKX 28,000 280 100
KE1DO 27,450 305 90
KG5U 26,426 362 73
N5LZ 24,378 239 102
KJ8F 24,210 269 90
N1GPY 22,791 213 107
N5AV (KN5H) 22,246 227 98
WA8YRS 22,213 229 97
N4UL 21,900 219 104
N4CW 21,000 200 105
N7IN 20,839 229 91
K8MR 20,280 195 84
VE6DBH 19,197 243 79
AC8E 16,465 185 89
AE0M 15,276 201 76
K1TO/4 14,863 167 89
N9CO 14,364 171 84
KC4ZHQ 12,402 159 78
K1HT 12,213 177 69
K4AT 11,928 168 71
W9RM/M 11,340 140 81
K9PW 10,287 127 81
W4PA 9,558 141 68
KR4YL 9,054 135 67
KK5LO 8,710 130 67
N8TR 7,540 116 65
W4EF 6,077 103 59
W9WI 5,800 100 58
K1ZO 5,445 99 55
K8RM 4,896 104 48
N1MR 4,606 97 47
NY3C 3,285 73 45
W8AH 2,325 75 31
WA1CFS 1,560 65 24
AD1C 1,334 46 29
N9GG 378 27 14
Multi/OP
KS9K 453,348 1764 257
K5TR (@W5KFT) 404,435 1721 235
W4WA 333,450 1482 225
NK7U 327,140 1487 220
N0NI 289,492 1375 211
KF9YT 191,268 966 198
WB5M 57,856 512 113
N5KB 29,380 260 113
KB3A 18,837 207 91
Team Scores
TDXS Team #1 498,685
PVRC 498,685
Kentucky CG Team L 190,104
Green Mountain Boys 120,387
Mad Rover Radio Club 50,506
Operator List
KB3A KB3A,KE3XS,KE3XZ,N3WAH
N0NI N0NI,N0AC,W0FLS
K5TR K5TR,N5KA
W4WA W4WA,N9HZQ,K0DI
KS9K WE9V,K9PG
NK7U NK7U,K7ZO,K7MK
KF9YT KF9YT,N9VVV
___________________________________________________________
NO ATTACHMENTS !!!!! ATTACHMENTS WILL NOT BE POSTED ON ANY SCORES
THAT I DO
73 Jim
**********************************************************
* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Internet Address: >> floydjr at interpath.com << *
**********************************************************
>From ocker at chasind.com (Charlie Ocker) Fri Jan 31 16:14:08 1997
From: ocker at chasind.com (Charlie Ocker) (Charlie Ocker)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:14:08 -0600
Subject: K3LR Dipole Array
Message-ID: <9701311614.AA13244 at chasind.com>
Can someone tell me what issue of QST contains the article written by Tim, K3LR, that
describes his steerable dipole array? It was a system based on a single
support tower, and the elements were 1/2 wave dipoles that formed a "sideways V"
with respect to the tower.
Many thanks in advance.
73,
Charlie N9CO ocker at chasind.com
>From k0wa at southwind.net (Lee Buller) Fri Jan 31 17:58:47 1997
From: k0wa at southwind.net (Lee Buller) (Lee Buller)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:58:47 -0600
Subject: Rotatable Dipole
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970131175847.006cf6a8 at southwind.net>
Ladies and Gents....
Anyhone have information on a good 40 meter rotatable dipole? Anyone out
there have one for sale? Who do I look at? KLM? Mosley??? What?
Lee
k0wa at southwind.net
>From thompson at mindspring.com (David L. Thompson) Fri Jan 31 08:53:53 1997
From: thompson at mindspring.com (David L. Thompson) (David L. Thompson)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 03:53:53 -0500
Subject: E-Mail Logs Accepted If....
Message-ID: <199701312053.PAA03012 at mule1.mindspring.com>
Gang,
We can accept E-mail logs for the CQ 160 if you follow this procedure:
1. Send the log to cq160 at contesting.com.
2. The log material must be in attachments. If you don't know how to
handle attachments
read your e-mail manual or contact your provider. Set for
attachments outside the e-mail!!!!
Those attached inside the e-mail will be returned!
3. If using NA or CT I need the .sum, the .all (ascii log), the .dup (dup
list), and if possible the
.bin (for use in case of difficulty).
4. For other logging programs I need a ascii summary sheet, and ascii
log, and a complete
dup list. The dup list is important as this is a complete list of
all stations worked in alpha sort order. This is what is used for
cross-checking!!!!! I get logs that say no dups made (if over
200Q's probably wrong) or that show just the dups detected. PLEASE send
only the complete list.
5. Check thru your log completely before sending. Make sure the
summary sheet gives me your call, operator class, power level, Q's, points,
W/VE, and DXCC mult and claimed score. I need a complete address and if a
guest op I need the name/address of the owner of the station.
There will not be an automatic receipt, so direct all requests to me NOT
cq160 at contesting.com. Allow at least 10 days as the logs are not coming
directly to me.
Please follow these instructions, don't E-mail me with how to on
attachments, and good luck.
Dave Thompson, K4JRB
CQ WW 160 Contests Director
>From km9p at contesting.com (Bill Fisher KM9P) Fri Jan 31 21:27:27 1997
From: km9p at contesting.com (Bill Fisher KM9P) (Bill Fisher KM9P)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:27:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Attn: Contest Sponsors
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970131162146.28589A-100000 at paris.akorn.net>
It has occured to me that it might be nice to have one email address or
system of addresses for contest submissions.
I am willing to donate an email alias for any contest sponsor. This way
the participants dont have to remember the email address. If its NAQP CW,
then you send it to naqp-cw at contesting.com for example. This could then
be redirected to whomever is checking logs at the time. If the log
checker changes, the email address doesn't.
If you are insterested... give me the email alias you want and where it's
supposed to go.
Example:
squint at contesting.com ---> n6tr at whatever.com
Thanks
Bill Fisher, N4VJ / K4AAA
>From drussell at knox.net (Donald Russell) Fri Jan 31 22:40:03 1997
From: drussell at knox.net (Donald Russell) (Donald Russell)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:40:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Confirmation of submitted logs
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970131171748.13568A-100000 at jasper.knox.net>
Fellow Contesters:
First I would like to say thank you to the ARRL Contest Committee for
accepting ARRL sponsored logs via e-mail. It is certainly a time saver
and a hassle free way of doing it.
We do have a problem that I am sure you are aware of. I submitted logs
for the 160 mtr contest and the 10 mtr contest to your ftp site as
instructed on your web page. Then I requested confirmation of receipt
via e-mail. After a week of no response, I again submitted my logs to be
sure that you had them. That was over a month ago with no confirmation.
I believe I did very well in the 160 mtr test and put in about 30 hrs
operating time plus code practice for a solid week before to get ready.
I would hate to think that you didn't get my log and I will never know
how I stood amoung my fellow contesters. Never worried about it with
snail mail, but probably should have been.
I understand how darn busy you are when logs start comming in and
mistakes are no doubt made. However, I feel something should be done.
Here is my solution that I hope you will consider:
Starting immediately after an ARRL sponsored contest, A weekly list of
all logs received by e-mail should be sent to the cq-contest forum and
the scores 3830 forum. In this way, contesters could check weekly for
their call on the list and upon seeing their call, quit their darn
worrying! Most contesters that would submit logs via e-mail are subcribed
to these two forums, so everybody would be reached in this way. I would
think that this would be less work for the contest committee compared to
to replying to each and every log submital.
Please consider this and let me know what you think.
73, Don, WA8YRS drussell at knox.net
>From N6NT at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Sawyer) Fri Jan 31 16:08:01 1997
From: N6NT at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Sawyer) (Bruce Sawyer)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:08:01 +0000
Subject: WRTC '96 Video Tapes (repeat posting)
Message-ID: <19970131160757.AAB5442 at LOCALNAME>
At the risk of offending some by taking bandwidth to repeat myself, but
hoping to catch the attention of those who might have missed my earlier
posting (due to the din of discussion about AL0HA, etc.), I'm again posting
the notice about WRTC '96 video tapes. At the present moment, I'm mailing
these tapes out on the same day that I receive the requests in the mail.
This is going to change about the middle of February, though, because I'll
be out of the country for about 6 weeks starting then.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Through the courtesy of WJET-TV, Inc. and station owner K3TUP,
production of the WRTC 96 video has been completed and the tapes are
now ready for distribution. This 27-minute documentary of the
biggest contesting event of 1996 captures all the excitement and
drama of the competition and presents the contesting hobby at its
best.
Distribution of the tapes is being handled under the auspices of the
Northern California Contest Club and the Slovenian Contest Club. The
tapes are available for a nominal shipping and handling fee, and any
excess funds remaining after distribution will revert to the
sponsoring organizations.
If you want to order a tape recorded with NTSC format (the format in
use in the US), send $10 in US currency (or a check made payable to
Bruce Sawyer) together with a gummed address label (max size 2" x 4")
to the following address:
Bruce Sawyer, N6NT
15430 Bohlman Road
Saratoga, CA 95070, USA
If you want to order a tape recorded with PAL format (the format in
use in many European countries) send either $10 in US currency or 15
Deutsch Marks together with a gummed address label to the following
address:
Tine Brajnik, S50A
Maroltova 13
1113 Ljubljana, Slovenia
We are prepared to ship to any location, worldwide, for the $10
shipping & handling fee. Our goal is to make available a copy of
this tape to anyone who wants one. Thus we do request your help in
reproducing this announcement wherever you think appropriate in order
that as many people as possible can be made aware of the video.
This announcement supersedes the information contained on the tape,
as that notice was prepared before we had fully analyzed our
distribution costs.
73,
Bruce Sawyer, N6NT
Co-chairman, WRTC '96
>From dx at traverse.com (Barry Martz K8BK) Fri Jan 31 21:11:16 1997
From: dx at traverse.com (Barry Martz K8BK) (Barry Martz K8BK)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:11:16 +0000
Subject: CQWW 160 Email?
Message-ID: <m0vqhaA-00019GC at bert.traverse.com>
Hi. I know this has probably already been asked, but can CQWW 160
logs be EMAILed in or do they have to have a disk?
Thanks de Barry/K8BK
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