[CQ-Contest] Operating Style in Pile-Up

Larry Schimelpfenig lvschim at 1bigred.com
Sat Jul 18 19:01:22 EDT 1998


I must agree with you that one size doesn't fit all, but being on the contest reflector, I interpreted 
comments made to be in regards to contesting, not general dxing.  The P5 is an extreme example
and if recent dxpeds to rare ones is any sort of indication, they are probably not going to show in
the contest, but will concentrate on other modes to give "the deserving" a new one. If it gets to the 
point that the P5 shows up in the contest, there's going to be such a hellish pileup that I'm not going 
to waste my time on it anyway.

A number of folks go to some fairly rare locations FOR CONTESTS, and the vast majority of them 
do id after every call. And those same folks frequently achieve high scores or even win the contest.   

I'm not sure what your analogy has to do with the discussion.  It's rude to drive on the shoulder, and
it's rude to butt into a line.  I maintain that in a contest it's rude not to sign after every Q.  Your analogy
would seem to indicate that it's stupid or illegal for me, running low power and a tribander, to try to 
compete with the big boys (in a contest or otherwise). I don't understand what this has to do with 
frequency of id'ing in a contest.  If I interpret what your are saying correctly, I vehemently  disagree 
with it more than the id issue.

I have some thoughts concerning dxpeditions (non-contest) infrequently iding, but that belongs 

I respect your opinion in terms of general dxing to a large extent, but in terms of contesting I 
am not flexible, because my time is just as important as that of the person at the other end of the 
pileup, regardless of how much wealth it took to get him there!    

73 de Larry K7SV 

-----Original Message-----
From:	Dale Jones K5MM [SMTP:ddjones at nas.com]
Sent:	Friday, July 17, 1998 6:52 PM
To:	Larry Schimelpfenig
Cc:	cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject:	[CQ-Contest] Operating Style in Pile-Up

  (Comments regarding K7SV posting on signing call sign after each QSO,
    see below)..........

 Now Larry........
 It obviusly depends on who the "hunter" is and who is the "hunted".  If I'm
 operating from P5AA, and the band is full of WB6's, all on cw sending at
 10 wpm.....I can assure you that I would very firmly feel that my time is 
 more valuable that yours (theirs)!!

 It seems as if you are saying....."No matter what the circumstances are, the
 rare DX station must operate exactly how I want him to, or I won't work him"
 Thus, One size fits All !!  That's ludicrous OM.  

 Circumstances make all the difference.  Flexibility to respond to different
 circumstances are what makes champions.  It is absolutely NOT needed for
 a rare DX station to sign his call sign after every QSO.  Maybe in some cases
 it's appropriate to sign your call after each QSO, in other cases after
each 2 or 3 
 may be okay, and in other cases after each 10 QSO's might be the right amount. 
 Remember that the DX operator is operating to maximize HIS rate, not yours.

 In my judgement your analogy of butting into traffic, or driving on the
 should be changed a bit.  It's more like a 6 lane highway, and the Big Guns
 running in the fast lane.  If you're driving an Amish horse & buggy, better
get in 
 the slow lane, or you're gonna get run over.  AND, if you choose to take your
 horse and buggy over to the fast lane, you better stoke the horse up with some
 high powered hay so that you can "Do as the Romans do, when in Rome"!!

 One Size does NOT fit all!!
 Dale  K5MM
At 10:55 AM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Doug, I appreciate your attempts to ID after every Q.  I consider those
stations that don't, to be 
>saying "my time is more important than yours", which is very rude and
inconsiderate. As far as 
>I'm concerned you might equate it to butting into lines or driving on the
shoulder to get around 
>traffic.  If this problem becomes pervasive "because everyone else is doing
it", contesting is going
>to become just as rude and inconsiderate as society is now.  If the
operator figures his expenses
>in traveling on a dxped license him not to sign after every call, then so
be it.  I'm not going to wait
>for a call, so if they don't id, I don't want to hear a lot of griping
about dupes!
>73 de Larry K7SV

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