[CQ-Contest] Dinged Good QSOs

Fri Aug 3 22:07:44 EDT 2001

Ward Silver wrote:
> I'm having trouble seeing the point, but the odds are 1-in-8, for what
> it's worth.

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Point here is that at least 8 stations YOU work would have to submit a
log. (and the ARRL announcement of DXCC QRP ((that's less than 5KW for
you wrong coasters ) will certainly be a distraction as people look
for Qs, and have no interest in submitting a log. Not to mention the
announcement that by this time next year, electronic logs will be
accepted, and if you're there, no need to QSL. 
------------------------------> 

> So the multi-stroke penalties for going off-course, redropping your ball,
> etc. are unfair?  It was only one stroke that put the ball in play!
> Clearly, the golf rule makers felt that some errors are more severe than
> other and assessed a penalty that reflected their assessment, leading to
> more accurate and high-quality play.
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No, that's not what I said. Golf and most all sports are a "one thing
at a time" event. The rules don't say you cannot knock it out of
bounds, only that it will cost you if you do. Been a long time since I
played, but such things as grounding your club in a sand pit, going
into the water, touching the ball while not on the green all carry the
same penalty. As I said earlier, different sports have different
rules. You can knock all the balls you want out of bound and perhaps
finish the hole with a 9 score. But, in basketball, you get too rough
with the other team, and you're out of there after 5. Get a little too
physical, and I've seen this 2 or 3 times, and 1 foul will get you
ejected right there. And "mouthing off", as Cox did in the last two
Braves vs St. Louis games, got him  a free pass to the locker room. (
and I'll pass on the advantage for either team that created) It didn't
result in having to play with only 6 guys on the field.

So you bust 1 call, making an error by the rules, and you get 3 good
ones taken out also. Sorta like being sentenced to 10 years for
running a stop light.

I think the basic argument is the penalty does not fit the crime.
What's wrong with at least, for 1 year, going to a lesser penalty?

With greatest respects to "Hi You"

73
Ed

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>From Leigh S. Jones" <kr6x at kr6x.com  Fri Aug  3 22:28:04 2001
From: Leigh S. Jones" <kr6x at kr6x.com (Leigh S. Jones)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:28:04 -0700
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re: Dinged Good QSOs
References: <200108031634.JAA24319 at loja.kkn.net>
Message-ID: <078c01c11c63$2f75bdb0$ede3c23f at kr6x.org>

Let's see if I've got this right... and let's try a sports analogy.
In America we play baseball, and when the pitcher throws a ball one
inch outside of the strike zone the computer figures that he was
trying to throw over the plate and counts it as a ball rather than a
strike.  So far so good.

But then when the pitcher throws the ball wild, and maybe he strikes
the batter, then the computer figures he was trying to throw the
batter out at first base and the batter got in the way of the ball so
the computer calls the batter out.  But then when the sponsor, let's
say it's Bud Light in this case, says that there's a penalty for
illegally stealing first base, then the score's Bud Light zero, batter
minus three.

Sounds like if I record a callsign wrong I'd better miss two letters.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tree N6TR" <tree at kkn.net>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:34 AM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re: Dinged Good QSOs

>
>
> SM2EKM asks:
>
> > So how do I defend against this, or improve if you will.
> > For example, how do I know that W8JI really logs my call
> > correct, if not I´ll lose 4 QSO´s , right? Or is it reverse
> > logic, i e W8JI has to improve his act for me to gain.
> > Can someone please explain to me how this is a fair deal.
> > If I make a misstake and log W8JI incorect I sure can buy
> > that I get a penalty but the other way around????
> > Is this really the case or do I missunderstand things,
> > please explain to me.
>
> Obivously, if you hear someone get your call wrong, you should
> do whatever you can to have them correct it.
>
> When your call is not found in a log, the log checking software
> will try to find a busted callsign.  If W8JI logs you as SM2EKM
> or something else that is one character removed from your call,
> then it will consider this QSO to be in W8JI's log for the
> purposes of checking your log.
>
> Furthurmore - if the times and other information match up, it
> will be flagged as a bad call - in W8JI's log (with associated
> penalty).
>
> If W8JI managles the call to the point that the program can't
> figure out it was really SM2EKM (like if he logged SM1NKM),
> the it will count as a NIL for you.  W8JI will end up with a
> unique call.  It will probably not be busted because the program
> never figure out that it was SM2EKM.
>
> Most of the time - there will only be one character in error,
> so you won't be penalized.
>
> It isn't fair - except to realize that W8JI is also going to be
> working your competition and if he makes the same kind of the
> mistakes often, they will all have the same penalty applied.
>
> I think if you are looking for a sports analogy - the best one is
> the defensive/offensive foul when two players end up on the floor
> after a collision.  There is going to be a call - and a foul is
> going to be called on one player or the other.  Sometimes, the
> call goes the wrong way.
>
> The penalty discussion discussion is a separate discussion and us
> log checkers have enough going on without wading into that mud
> puddle.  We just call up the sponsors and ask them what the forumla
> is (because it seems to be different for almost every contest).
>
> 73 Tree
>
>
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