[CQ-Contest] Single op NOT assisted

[Randy Thompson, K5ZD]

Help me draw the line here.

Packet through the Internet is not allowed.
Checking web sites through the Internet is OK.

Given the arguments that many have presented, it looks like anything other
than "spots" is OK.  So does this mean I can send talk messages to other
people on Packet or via the Internet?  Just to check the weather at their
location (in case I don't have cable and can't get the Weather channel) or
to see if the band is open for them yet?

Can I ask them if they worked a JA on 160?  It wouldn't be a spot.

Can I ask them what time they worked Europe on 160 the night before?

Can I ask who they worked in Europe on 160 in the contest?

Can I ask them to send me their .brk file while the contest is still going
on?

As my probability professor put it the other night, there are an infinite
number of numbers between true and false.

Randy, K5ZD


PS - What is the real definition of a "spot" in the radio contesting
context?

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: owner-cq-contest at contesting.com
 > [mailto:owner-cq-contest at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Robert Shohet
 > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 04:33 AM
 > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
 > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Single op NOT assisted
 >
 >
 >
 > It has been quite interesting to read all the opinions on this
 > subject, and
 > to see how each person picks his own "nits" and split hairs
 > according to his
 > own biases and self-interest.
 >
 > I for one DO NOT see any difference between using the internet,
 > or radio, or
 > TV for information that is NOT used to solicit contacts.
 > Watching an auroral map is no different than looking at the
 > Weather channel
 > to see when the T-storm (or blizzard) is coming or to watch a late-night
 > movie to stay awake when cndx suck.
 >
 > For those purists out there, if you are going to eliminate one, then you
 > must eliminate ALL forms of aid. That means:
 >
 > NO TV
 > NO RADIO
 > NO INTERNET
 > NO VERBAL COMMUNICATION WITH ANYONE ELSE (including spouse and
 > children and
 > visitors)
 > NO SUNLIGHT
 > NO HEAT
 > NO RUNNING WATER
 > NO TOILET
 > NO COMPUTER
 > NO LOGGING PROGRAM
 > NO GEOCLOCK
 > NO BEAM HEADINGS
 > NO CHECK PARTIAL
 > NO MICROWAVE
 > NO ELECTRONIC BANDSWITCHING

Hey Bob - You forget to mention electricity!!  Not many guys making their
own AC these days...

 >
 > Oh, and of course, you know those Japanese companies that built
 > your radio?
 > well that is ALSO a form of assistance, because only a few of us would be
 > able to build and use them if we couldn't buy them.  So that means:
 >
 > NO FACTORY BOUGHT RADIOS OR ANTENNAS OR AMPS OR EQUIPMENT OR CABLES OF ANY
 > KIND
 > NO OPERATING CHAIRS (unless you build it yourself)

Pretty bold statement for a guy who doesn't climb his own towers.

 >
 > I have left out a few, but you get the point.  Anything can be taken to
 > absurd levels.
 >
 > Why can't we have simple agreement on the point that we  ALL use
 > and benefit
 > by technology and you can't outlaw one type without being logically
 > inconsistent about all the other types that we ALL employ in EVERY station
 > in EVERY contest.

By this logic, we should allow everyone to use everything.

 >
 > Show me something you bought and use in your station and I will show you a
 > form of "assistance".
 >
 > I think the contest rules are pretty clear.  They refer to assistance by
 > other people and stations with spotting and solicitation of contacts and
 > help with operating the station.  That's it!
 >
 > I have little doubt that if the contest committees, after reflection, feel
 > that some of the above-mentioned categories constitute assistance as well,
 > they will expressly forbid their use.
 >
 > Now can we please get back to thinking about operating strategy
 > and reading
 > .brk sheets and .all files or will that be considered "assistance" too?
 >
 > 73
 >
 > Bob KQ2M
 >
 >
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