[CQ-Contest] Reply to SO2R comments...

Tue Mar 6 12:26:49 EST 2001

 > There are not enough channels and there are no "frequency rights."  There is
 > almost always someone on every frequency, whether you can hear them of not.
 > Pick a frequency for best rate. If K3LR or K1AR is also on that channel (or
 > just shows up), your rate may not be optimized. The good op knows when to
 > fight and when to fold, it's part of the game.
 >
Well, being from the Midwest, one can rarely compete into
Europe with the W1 big guns if they wish to ensue a
frequency battle.

Now that I fly out to the East Coast to contest from a
large station (albeit not W1), I see I need to learn this
East Coast tactic.  Pick any frequency that I believe I can
run off some other smaller station.  Because, as part of the
contest 'battle', if I believe I can achieve optimum rate by
doing so, it makes it okay.

It will take me a while to get used to that one.

Chad WE9V

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>From Marty Tippin" <martyt at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 19:31:43 2001
From: Marty Tippin" <martyt at pobox.com (Marty Tippin)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:31:43 -0600
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Reply to SO2R comments...
References: <200103061236.HAA19837 at hall.mail.mindspring.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c0a674$43a0c240$730410ac at mtippin>

I'll second (and third) the idea that once you leave a frequency, it's not
yours. Oh - and why is everyone afraid to name names? Get the offender's
callsigns out in the open, subject to scrutiny of contesters everywhere and
maybe they'll shape up.

Case in point:

Was trolling for a place to call CQ on Sunday morning down in the "W1"
portion of 20 meters (you know, below 14.180) - found a nice clear spot,
said "is the frequency in use?" - not once, but twice - and got absolutely
no response.

So I started CQ, got a response almost immediately and in the middle of the
exchange, KC1XX (don't know who the 20m op was at that time...) shows up and
says "AE9B, What are you doing? This is my frequency!" - I explained about
asking if it was in use, getting no response, etc. and he says "Well, I was
listening up the band a ways but I've been here 10 hours!"  No point in
arguing about it too much, being in the middle of Zero land and running
*only* 1500W... So I made a few smart remarks and headed up the band a
little bit. Fortunately, the guy I was working found me and verified that we
had finished the contact correctly.

I think next time that happens, however, I'll stay put. My rate was already
pretty low, so I figure there's less at stake for me than the big gun who
tries to bully his way back on to the the frequency. Maybe I won't
ultimately win the battle, but I guarantee you'll have a helluva time making
any contacts through my 60-second CQ! I don't give a rat's behind who you
are - if you don't answer when I say "is the frequency in use?" it's not
your frequency. Period.

-Marty NW0L (operating at AE9B last weekend...)
  martyt at pobox.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kutner" <w2up at mindspring.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Reply to SO2R comments...

 >
 > Sorry John, I don't agree with you. If I ask "QRZ is the freq in use,"
 > get no answer, then ask a second time just to make sure
 > someone's not in the middle of an exchange, and get no answer,
 > then the freq is up for grabs. This exchange probably takes 10-12
 > secs. I think it is unreasonable to expect a freq to be your's when
 > you've vacated it for possibly 120 seconds. Maybe you should have
 > jumped back to your original spot and thrown a CQ or two out in
 > the middle of the QSYs.
 > You may luck out and have it waiting for you. Or, you could be a
 > bully and take it back, but that's not the right thing to do.
 > 73,
 > Barry W2UP
 >
 >
 > On 5 Mar 01, John Dorr wrote:
 >
 >  >
 >  > Well, I'll step up here considering no one else seems willing to
mention
 >  > real calls/names. The incident with N2MG involved myself while
operating on
 >  > 10M. I had the good fortune to have two needed multipliers call me
which I
 >  > managed to successfully pass to 15M.
 >  >
 >  > Now, I agree about the concern over the frequency ownership issue
raised by
 >  > several guys on here. In this case (and correct me if I'm wrong), I
believe
 >  > the passes probably took about 45-60 seconds each. That is, in my view,
 >  > within a reasonable window to say you're still using a run frequency.
 >  > Naturally, that can be debated at great length as it already has been
on
 >  > this channel.
 >  >
 >  > The point in my on-air comment to Mike was simply that instead of
trying to
 >  > have the debate in the heat of battle, he would be better off finding
his
 >  > own frequency and focussing on passing guys himself as appropriate.
 >  > Obviously that's a one-sided view but, right or wrong,  seems to be a
 >  > regular practice by most operators.
 >  >
 >  > BTW, for the record, I was not operating with two radios this weekend.
But,
 >  > a fair point has been raised here about how long a frequency is
legitimately
 >  > yours when you choose to vacate it for any reason. I submit to the
 >  > contesting court that there's no cookbook answer to that one.
 >  >
 >  > 73 John, K1AR

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