[CQ-Contest] CW UBN

[Guy Olinger, K2AV]

Actually they already count as you suggest. That is why the original
poster worked the multi to begin with, to get USA and the zone on a
particular band. Example, at NY4A, we need one "K" station and zones
3,4,5 on each band for mults, even though they don't count as Q
points.

There is no loss to logging 0 point qso's. I'm really quite mystified
that anyone would drop them who is using any of the computer loggers.

In order to get a same country exchange to go out at all so that the
posting station would hear an exchange, the easiest way for the multi
to do that is type in the call and hit enter. All done. Deleting the Q
from the log takes additional work. Logging the Q is BY FAR the
easiest, fastest thing for the multi to do. "W1WXYZ <ENTER> 5
<ENTER>".  Everything else takes more time.

I suspect that someone may have done something like go through the
multi log afterward and deleted everything that had zero qso points
and wasn't a mult, not quite realizing what was happening.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry " <w2up at mindspring.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] CW UBN


> There are two ways to solve the 0 point QSO problem:
> 1. Automatically give zone and country credit for all 0 pt QSOs. For
> example, USA gets credit for USA and zones 3,4 and 5; UA0 gets
credit
> for UA9/0 and zones 17, 18, and 19; DL gets credit for DL and zone
14;
> etc.
> 2. If a N-I-L pattern appears, for example, W3multi was in the log
of 15
> other W ops, but 12 of those QSOs aren't in W3multi's log, he should
> be DQed.
> Barry W2UP
>
>
> On 1 Jun 2002 Gary Ferdinand W2CS wrote:
>
> > I'm by far no expert on the history of all this, but my impression
is that
> > the assumption is made that contesters are prone to exaggerate
their logs.
> > In the past with paper logs this was very difficult to find.  When
it is
> > found, the QSO itself and a penalty is extracted.  Yet, situations
such as
> > yours definitely exist where the victim/perp are reversed and the
penalties
> > are not.
> >
> > Now that most (all for CQ?) logs are submitted electronically, I
think it's
> > high time to eliminate the penalty points entirely.  Just remove
the QSO
> > (and mult if it be one) and recompute the score.  Guys in your
situation
> > will still bemoan why the other guy didn't log you, but at least
all you're
> > losing is the QSO and not having a penalty lumped on.  Anyone
trying to
> > benefit by padding the log will of course have their work totally
removed.
> > Seems fair to me.
> >
> > I think the time for the penalty points, appropriate when finding
fraud was
> > so difficult when paper logs were the norm, to be totally removed.
Let the
> > score reduction be computed solely on the basis of the submitted
log, less
> > QSOs in error.
> >
> > One man's opinion, of course :-)
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary W2CS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-admin at contesting.com
> > > [mailto:cq-contest-admin at contesting.com]On Behalf Of ww3s
> > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:23 PM
> > > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CW UBN
> > >
> > >
> > > Just reviewed my UBN and as I expected, most of the USA multis I
> > > called for
> > > the mult did not log me. There has to be a trick to this; I even
> > > asked many
> > > to please log for the mult. Problem is, not only do I loose the
> > > mult, but I
> > > lose qso points I never had. Stateside qsos are for mults only,
> > > correct? So
> > > why when a stateside multi doesn't log me do I loose 6 points
per
> > > q? Common
> > > sense should indicate the big multi didn't call me but rather I
> > > called them;
> > > the error must be on their end so why do I get points deducted?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Cox" <K3EST at cqww.com>
> > > To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] CW UBN
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Fellow Contesters,
> > >
> > > The 2001 CQ WW CW logs and UBN's are available to view at
> > > http://www.cqww.com  If you have any questions, please address
> > > questions at cqww.com .
> > >
> > > Please be reminded that the 2002 CQ WW contests will require the
cabrillo
> > > format. This format allows for the saving of thousands of
man-hours by the
> > > CQ WW Contest Committee in the adjudication of the logs.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Bob, K3EST
> > > CQ WW Director
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Barry Kutner, W2UP              Internet: w2up at mindspring.com
> Newtown, PA                     Frankford Radio Club
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