[CQ-Contest] RE: Statement regarding the use of BEACONet in ARRL VHF Contests

[David Robbins K1TTT]

Where does it say that spotting nets aren't permitted?  In the general
rules it specifically says that multi-op and single op assisted may use
spotting nets.

And ed, maybe it would help for everyone on this reflector to figure out
what this is about if you explained exactly what beaconnet and
beaconnet-for-rovers is since I for one have never heard of it before.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-admin at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> admin at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Russ Pillsbury
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 03:24
> To: Ev Tupis (W2EV); Henderson, Dan N1ND
> Cc: cq-contest; VHF Contesting.com; VHF List;
> RVHFG_general at yahoogroups.com; uWave eMail Remailer
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE: Statement regarding the use of BEACONet in
ARRL
> VHF Contests
> 
> Ev, you may need to rethink what you are saying.  I just remembered
that
> spotting nets are not legal for the contests.  At one time a club I
> belonged
> to had set up a 'contest net' during the contest, late Saturday and
Sunday
> evening.  The idea was that we would all meet on 144.125 SSB and
anyone
> who
> had not yet worked each other would do so then.  If we had not worked
on
> other bands we would take care of it at the same time.
> 
> Eventually we were told what we were doing was verboten because it was
a
> 'spotting net'.  We stopped the practice.  It was not a big enough
club to
> ever win anything anyway so the issue never became serious.
> 
> Other clubs handle the issue by having an 'activity hour' for each
band.
> Instead of meeting on a single frequency they meet on a band, and work
> each
> other 'free for all' style.  The difference is a) no formal net, and
b) no
> single frequency to meet on.
> 
> I think that BeaconNet is similar enough in concept to our contest
net.
> Probably the net aspect of the operation is the basis for them to
> disqualify
> it, not the fact that it is or isn't packet or is or isn't repeated.
> 
> 73, Russ K2TXB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu
[mailto:owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu]On
> > Behalf Of Ev Tupis (W2EV)
> > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:04 PM
> > To: Henderson, Dan N1ND
> > Cc: cq-contest; VHF Contesting.com; VHF List;
> > RVHFG_general at yahoogroups.com; uWave eMail Remailer
> > Subject: Re: Statement regarding the use of BEACONet in ARRL VHF
> > Contests
> >
> >
> > No one at the ARRL knows how BEACONet-for-Rovers works.  As a
> > result, such a
> > decision or statement about it's use during VHF Contests is, at
best,
> ill
> > conceived.
> >
> > How do I know that no one knows enough to pass judgment?  Because
> > I invented
> > BEACONet-for-Rovers and no one at the ARRL has ever approached me
> > about how it
> > is configured or how it works (even the BEACONet web site doesn't
have
> any
> > information on it yet!).
> >
> > It is not spotting or self-spotting in nature.  No matter how
> > often you say it
> > Dan, the facts don't change...it is not.  Interestingly, until the
term
> > "spotting" can be defined (it isn't defined anywhere I can find,
btw),
> it
> > appears that one can define it any way they want to and no one can
say
> > differently.  Foul!
> >
> > > However, so there is no misunderstanding: the use of BEACONet to
> solicit
> > > contacts during the contest period may make your entry subject
> > to action by
> > > the ARRL Awards Committee.
> >
> > To be fair, so that there is no misunderstanding:  If BEACONet-for-
> Rovers
> > operation DQ's a contestant's entry, then so will simply picking up
your
> > microphone and saying, "CQ Contest, this is N1ND in FN31nm".
> > That is all that
> > BEACONet-for-Rovers does...it just happens to use simplex AX.25
> > rather than
> > simplex SSB....yet this is a strategy commonly used when
> > soliciting contacts on
> > SSB.
> >
> > So...
> > o What is the definition of "spotting"?
> > o Who is on this "Awards Committee" and how do I contact them on
> > this matter?
> >
> > It's time to give them accurate information and put this to bed
> > -- either way it
> > ends up.
> >
> > Thanks and 73,
> > Evhen Tupis, W2EV
> >
> > PS.  Please Reply-all, Dan...at least on the definition of
> > "spotting", would
> > you?
> 
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