Gosh, I guess, i'm just a happy old ham. I am not bashing the LOTW, ARRL, or anything right now. It's simple guys, if you don't like the LOTW, then just don't use the damn thing. Nobody said you had to. Frankly, I think it can be a good deal. 73, Tom K5IID Thomas Horton k5iid at earthlink.net "E" Sorter for the ARRL QSL Bureau