[CQ-Contest] Self Spotting

[Bob Naumann - N5NJ]

Who has cheated, won anything, and gotten away with it?

Can we name names? (calls?)

If we can't declare who has cheated here, where it does not really matter, how could the contest sponsors be expected to do so officially?

I'm fairly certain that all contest sponsors are concerned about cheating and regularly discuss potential methods to detect cheating.  I would also expect that they are very reluctant to accuse someone without having definitive proof.  As the various methods become more definitive, I would expect that contest sponsors will begin using them.  

Regarding whether or not using packet takes skill - who cares?  If the person operating is having fun, why would anyone want to take that away from them?  Please note: I do not support the use of packet, and then denying that you used it in your log submission.

Also, W5GN's comments are not really all that controversial.  It might be one of the ways to begin to level the playing field that many here have been seeking for years.  This type of creative thinking deserves consideration and discussion - not the outright condemnation that it's gotten here.  

Bob N5NJ


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From: <ku8e at bellsouth.net>
Date: 2004/04/01 Thu AM 08:20:07 CST
To: "Alfred J. Frugoli (KE1FO)" <frugoli at worldlinkisp.com>
CC: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self Spotting

 Al,

 I think the case that most have made for removing packet is that people get away with cheating (i.e claiming SO when they are SOA) and the contest sponsors
don't do anything about it.

 I guess I am just old fashioned and my reason for removing it is that it makes
contesting for some like shooting ducks in a pond. You just point and shoot. It
doesn't take much skill to do that...

                              Jeff

> 
> From: "Alfred J. Frugoli (KE1FO)" <frugoli at worldlinkisp.com>
> Date: 2004/03/31 Wed PM 08:36:09 EST
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com,  ku8e at bellsouth.net
> Subject: Re: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self Spotting
> 
> KU8E wrote:
> > 
> >   The packet issue has been discussed for a long time and it seems to me that the majority favor removing it from contesting.  Now it's time for the contest
> > sponsors to react....
> 
> Whoa!  I think most favor the rules being enforced, not just doing away with packet because contesters sometimes break that rule.  If we follow that logic we should do away with the 10 minute rule, because sometimes contesters break it - we should do away with power categories, because sometimes contesters break that rule.  Where does it stop?  K1TTT has shown us techniques for identifying potential self spotters.  I think the contests sponsors need to take action on this empirical information, not the kind of "it seems to me" information you talk about.
> 
> 73 de Al, KE1FO
> 
> 

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