[CQ-Contest] Log checking questions

Michael Tope W4EF at dellroy.com
Sun Dec 18 14:32:57 EST 2005

To: Michael Tope ; Barry 
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log checking questions

Thank you very much for your opinion Mike. You have hi-lited the problem very well. The rule of the land today is anyone can break/bend any rule as long as a justification can be dreamed up. You are clearly saying if you are not officially in the contest you don't need to follow the rules of the contest. Amazing convoluted logic...
Here is rule 3 for Stew Perry:
""3. Categories: Single operator or multi-operator.  Remote or packet 
   spotting shall not be used.  All transmitting and receiving antennas 
   used must be within 100 km of each other.""

It clearly says no packet spotting, It doesn't say it's OK to spot if you are not actually in the contest. At some point the contest rules must mean something. For those who were not aware of the rules several times announcements were made on the cluster system. Here's just one : 
""17 Dec w1to (1833Z) : Stew Perry rules don't allow packet""

Maybe 1 or 2 of the guys didn't know the rules of the contest but guys like K1TTT, who was probably the worst offender, is very well aware. K1TTT has made it very clear, on this mailing list, he will not, and does not, support any effort to stop/curtail spots in any contest, obviously including contests that specifically don't even allow spotting.

There is obviously no solution to this as long as guys make lame, yes lame, excuses and other guys blatantly, with malice, thumb their noses at the rules.

MAL              N7MAL

Sorry, Mal, but the word "Categories" that prefaces the no packet 
spotting rule implies people who are entering the contest. How can 
you be a cheater if you don't enter the contest? Please explain that 
one to me? If non-entrants use packet how does that effect the integrity 
of the contest? I think your logic is the convoluted logic, Mal. Even the 
FCC doesn't have the authority to tell people not to use telnet (well at 
least in the context of part 97). Shutting down the packet networks 
won''t magically create people with integrity. I have entered 6 contests 
this fall season. Four of those have been as a single operator. When I 
was single-op, solving the packet problem was easy. I just turned it 
off (and left it off) before I started operating. What is so hard about 
that? The subtext of your of your rail on packet in contests is that 
anyone who disagrees with you is a low-life cheater.

And, by the way, you are right. I am clearly saying that if you are not 
officially in a contest, then you don't need to follow the rules of the 
contest. Why would you? If I am not sending in a log for a contest 
with mandatory off-time, why would I need to take off time. I am not 
competing with anyone. I am just a ham radio operator making QSOs. 
If the contest rules state that I must run 100 watts (NAQP) to "enter" 
the contest, then why would I need to run 100 watts if I am just handing 
out QSOs. Read the rules. It doesn't say that you can only work 
people who are running 100 watts, it says that as a competitor you 
have to run no more than 100 watts to comply with the rules of the 
contest. When I "enter" the contest, I submit a score and by doing so, 
I implicity (and sometimes explicity) certify that I have followed ALL the 
rules of the contest that are applicable to my the category. If that is 
not true, then I am a CHEATER and I should be subject to 
disqualification. It is very simple. 

I think it is fine that the Stew Perry sponsors have disallowed packet in 
the rules for both single-operator and multi-operator. Interpretation -
if you want to enter the contest, don't use spotting. If you are Joe DXer
and you see that ZL3IX has been spotted on 1825 KHz and you need 
him for a new DXCC country on 160. Go work him. You get a new DXCC
country and he gets a couple of points. Just don't submit a log for the 
Stew Perry, because by using packet you have just disqualified yourself 
from entering the competition. 

Flame suite ready, Mal.

Mike, W4EF......................................................


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