[CQ-Contest] Log checking questions

k0luz@topsusa.com k0luz at topsusa.com
Sun Dec 18 17:16:48 EST 2005

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Way to go Mike,  my sentiments exactly.

Merry Christmas

Thank you very much for your opinion Mike. You have hi-lited the problem
very well. The rule of the land today is anyone can break/bend any rule as
long as a justification can be dreamed up. You are clearly saying if you are
not officially in the contest you don't need to follow the rules of the
contest. Amazing convoluted logic...
Here is rule 3 for Stew Perry:
""3. Categories: Single operator or multi-operator.  Remote or packet 
   spotting shall not be used.  All transmitting and receiving antennas 
   used must be within 100 km of each other.""

It clearly says no packet spotting, It doesn't say it's OK to spot if you
are not actually in the contest. At some point the contest rules must mean
something. For those who were not aware of the rules several times
announcements were made on the cluster system. Here's just one : 
""17 Dec w1to (1833Z) : Stew Perry rules don't allow packet""

Maybe 1 or 2 of the guys didn't know the rules of the contest but guys like
K1TTT, who was probably the worst offender, is very well aware. K1TTT has
made it very clear, on this mailing list, he will not, and does not, support
any effort to stop/curtail spots in any contest, obviously including
contests that specifically don't even allow spotting.

There is obviously no solution to this as long as guys make lame, yes lame,
excuses and other guys blatantly, with malice, thumb their noses at the

MAL              N7MAL

Sorry, Mal, but the word "Categories" that prefaces the no packet spotting
rule implies people who are entering the contest. How can you be a cheater
if you don't enter the contest? Please explain that one to me? If
non-entrants use packet how does that effect the integrity of the contest? I
think your logic is the convoluted logic, Mal. Even the FCC doesn't have the
authority to tell people not to use telnet (well at least in the context of
part 97). Shutting down the packet networks won''t magically create people
with integrity. I have entered 6 contests this fall season. Four of those
have been as a single operator. When I was single-op, solving the packet
problem was easy. I just turned it off (and left it off) before I started
operating. What is so hard about that? The subtext of your of your rail on
packet in contests is that anyone who disagrees with you is a low-life

And, by the way, you are right. I am clearly saying that if you are not
officially in a contest, then you don't need to follow the rules of the
contest. Why would you? If I am not sending in a log for a contest with
mandatory off-time, why would I need to take off time. I am not competing
with anyone. I am just a ham radio operator making QSOs. 
If the contest rules state that I must run 100 watts (NAQP) to "enter" 
the contest, then why would I need to run 100 watts if I am just handing out
QSOs. Read the rules. It doesn't say that you can only work people who are
running 100 watts, it says that as a competitor you have to run no more than
100 watts to comply with the rules of the contest. When I "enter" the
contest, I submit a score and by doing so, I implicity (and sometimes
explicity) certify that I have followed ALL the rules of the contest that
are applicable to my the category. If that is not true, then I am a CHEATER
and I should be subject to disqualification. It is very simple. 

I think it is fine that the Stew Perry sponsors have disallowed packet in
the rules for both single-operator and multi-operator. Interpretation - if
you want to enter the contest, don't use spotting. If you are Joe DXer and
you see that ZL3IX has been spotted on 1825 KHz and you need him for a new
DXCC country on 160. Go work him. You get a new DXCC country and he gets a
couple of points. Just don't submit a log for the Stew Perry, because by
using packet you have just disqualified yourself from entering the

Flame suite ready, Mal.

Mike, W4EF......................................................


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