[CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet

[Richard DiDonna NN3W]

Yes, and the fact of the matter is that the packet 
spotting most likely has the effect of increasing 
overall participation - a benefit to both the sponsor 
and to contest stations that are competitive.  I 
probably worked not an insignificant number of 
stations during this past weekend that I would not 
otherwise had worked had I not been spotted by other 
stations.  I could certainly tell when I was spotted 
and I actually commented on it on the air to which I 
heard several laughs...

73 Rich NN3W

--- Original Message ---
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt at arrl.net>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive 
influence of packet

>Trying to ask node sysops to shut down during a 
contest would be a futile
>effort.  The spotting network was designed and 
constructed by and for
>contesters and will not shutdown just because someone 
thinks they want a
>contest without it.  you can suggest this all you 
want, but it just ain't
>going to happen.
>
>
>David Robbins K1TTT
>e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
>web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-
contest-
>> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 23:22
>> To: Bill Parry; cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive 
influence of packet
>> 
>> And therein is the problem. You, and others, 
said: ""Outlawing packet
>> tomorrow would not
>> have the impact that many might hope. We have large 
numbers of stations
>> that
>> are not entering the contest but just hoping to 
work a few new
>> countries.""
>> 
>> How do you know? Why not give it a try? Voluntarily 
ask all the nodes to
>> shut down during CQWWCW. My prediction is the only 
loser will be the
>> sponsor because a majority of the scores will be 
down. Contesting without
>> a crutch, what an intriguing concept.
>> Again I ask why not give it a try?
>> 
>> 
>> MAL         N7MAL
>> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
>> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>> http://geocities.com/n7mal/
>> Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
>> It's already tomorrow in Australia
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Bill Parry
>>   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>   Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 0:10
>>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive 
influence of packet
>> 
>> 
>>   Folks,
>> 
>>   I realize that packet causes lots of problems in 
contests but it is not
>> the
>>   cause of all evil in contesting. There have been 
lots of stations that
>>   identify infrequently for years...certainly 
before packet was in common
>> use.
>> 
>>   It is really easy to blame the things you don't 
like for the all the
>>   foolishness we hear in the contests. Outlawing 
packet tomorrow would not
>>   have the impact that many might hope. We have 
large numbers of stations
>> that
>>   are not entering the contest but just hoping to 
work a few new
>> countries.
>>   (We hope lots and lots of these stations.) They 
will continue to use
>> packet
>>   and cause whatever negative consequences that 
result.
>> 
>>   Considering the large numbers of Multi's, 
assisted stations and stations
>>   that don't enter the contests, the numbers of S/O 
stations improperly
>> using
>>   packet is probably a pretty small percentage. 
This isn't to say that
>> what
>>   they are doing is right. It is not. I just think 
that the number is
>> pretty
>>   small considering all the "smoke and fire" that 
this topic has
>> generated.
>> 
>>   Hopefully, any change in the contest rules will 
be well-considered.
>> Changes
>>   can have both positive and negative consequences. 
I sure hope that we
>> don't
>>   make the rules so "pristine" that it's no fun 
anymore.
>> 
>>   Bill, W5VX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   >
>>   >The really annoying thing I found this weekend 
were the stations
>>   >who were only identifying every 5 or 10 minutes 
because they
>>   >had a steady diet of packet assisted stations 
feeding their pileups
>>   >who knew their callsign a priori. As a single-op 
unassisted, it's a
>>   >royal PITA when you are trying to make the most 
of your operating
>>   >time to have to sit on a frequency for 5 or 10 
minutes listening to a
>>   >huge pileup and wondering if you really need 
that station for a
>>   >multiplier because he won't identify.
>>   >
>>   >Packet can be fun if your just chasing DX, so I 
won't rain on
>>   >packet user's parade (sometimes I am a packet 
user), but I just
>>   >wish that the rare DX in the contests wouldn't 
assume that we
>>   >are all using it all the time. Send your call 
each QSO like
>>   >ZD8Z/N6TJ does.
>>   >
>>   >73 de Mike, 
W4EF...................................................
..
>>   >
>>   >
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