[CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight

David Robbins K1TTT k1ttt at arrl.net
Mon Oct 10 07:24:07 EDT 2005

No, it is impossible to tell for sure from log data who is stealing spots
and claiming unassisted.  The only way is to have someone looking over the
shoulder of unassisted ops as they do in wrtc.

The reason for this is that a good so2r operator can easily find packet
pileups either by just tuning across them or using a band scope on a quiet
band.  Consider the example of an so2r op running on 15m and trying to find
multipliers on 10m this year.  10m will be very quiet so putting a radio
with a band scope on there will quickly show any spikes of activity.  And
since any activity there will likely be spotted by the multi-ops or assisted
stations because just about everything will be a rare multiplier it would be
very likely that the so2r station would show up at the same time as the
packet spot.

Another problem these days is the volume of spots.  With upwards of 1000
spots an hour and many stations getting spotted literally hundreds of times
in a weekend it is hard to separate the real s&p qso from one triggered by a
packet spot.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 22:59
> To: Guy Molinari; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> Can or could you add the technology of simultaneously displaying the
> Packet-Cluster spots so it would be easy to determine who was claiming
> single op but obviously stealing spots..??.. It is easy to see that
> Packet-Cluster cheating is rampant and is a real threat to honest
> contesting.
> MAL         N7MAL
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy Molinari
>   To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 21:38
>   Subject: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>   This was exactly my point in the earlier posting.   I am a software
> engineer
>   by profession and I am
>   responsible for providing the "push" infrastructure behind the the
> ESPN.com
>   web sites.   While I
>   cannot disclose the actual capabilities of this system, I can assure you
>   that supporting the
>   concurrent connections of all contesters and interested specators is
> easily
>   doable.
>   I'm not talking about a static web page that must be periodically
> refreshed.
>   Opening up the UBN's/logs would be a step in the right direction IMHO,
> but
>   it would not stop the
>   post contest 'massaging' of log data.
>   I agree that knowing where your competitors stand would also have some
>   positive motivational side
>   effects.
>   Now that I think of it, there are some parallels here with auto racing.
>   The 'car' being the station
>   of course.
>   73's
>   Guy, N7ZG
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
>   >>This thread seems to be focusing on "releasing" logs
>   after the event, for later scrutiny.  Why stop there?
>   Why not "compete in the daylight" in the first place?
>   Why not know your position against other competitors
>   while the contest is still going on?<<
>   Let's do the first step (publish logs), we been trying to get this for
> few
>   years. Walk before you run!!!
>   Compete in the daylight? What would that do?
>   Like, when we compete, we take it easy, and then when we think someone
> is
>   beating us, "we step on the gas"?
>   So we will be watching how we do instead of running the contest?
>   Not here, thank you! I want to prepare for contest (never enough time),
>   enjoy
>   operating (seriously, or just hand out contacts), submit the log and
> (sooner
>   or later) find out how I did.
>   73  Yuri, K3BU.us
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