[CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule

[Ted Bryant]

The conflict with Multi-Two arises from one interpretation of M/S rules allowing SIMULTANEOUS
transmissions from two different transmitters. In this situation it is a very thin distinction to
say that a station is M/S (and not M/2) just because the second radio works only new multipliers. If
you interpret the M/S rules as allowing only one transmitted signal on the air at any time(ie.
single transmitter), the distinction becomes clearer.

73, Ted W4NZ

>-----Original Message-----
>From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Kelly Taylor
>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:21 PM
>To: Ted Bryant; cq-contest at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>
>
>There's only a disconnect if you choose to make this harder than it needs to
>be.
>
>Under the two transmitter rule, as stated here, there is no restriction on
>where those two transmitters may be or whom they may work (though there may
>be a restriction not quoted here restricting them from being on the same
>band simultaneously).
>
>Under the M/S rules, the mult station is restricted by a 10-minute rule and
>may only work new mults. This is not new, but it was introduced after the
>M/S category was created. It was specifically introduced as a change to the
>M/S category in certain contests: it did not come about by default. I seem
>to recall early M/S rules that did not allow for this exception. I believe
>some of my and VE4VV's efforts in the 1980s as VE4ALO were bound by M/S
>rules that did not include this restriction.
>
>73, kelly
>ve4xt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz at comcast.net>
>To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>
>
>> The CQ Contest Committee really needs to clarify this.
>>
>> Applying Randy K5ZD's (and others)interpretation of the rules for
>Multi-Single
>> seems to create a conflict with the rules for Multi-Two. From CQ's CQWW
>rules:
>>
>> "III. Type of Competition
>>    c. Multi-Operator
>>    1. Single Transmitter (MS):
>>       Only one transmitter and one band permitted during any 10-minute
>period..
>>       .
>>       .
>>       Exception: One-and only one-other band may be used during any
>10-minute
>>       period if-and only if-the station worked is a new multiplier.
>>
>>    2. Two Transmitter (M2):
>>       A maximum of two transmitted signals at any time on different
>bands."
>>
>>
>> -Ted W4NZ
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>> >[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Fred Dennin
>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 PM
>> >To: Mike McCarthy, W1NR; cq-contest at contesting.com
>> >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>> >
>> >
>> >I have confirmed that Randy's interpretation is correct and I thank him
>for
>> >bringing this to our attention.  Thanks to the others that have
>contributed
>> >to this subject.  Although the initial question was from someone else, I
>too
>> >have learned from this exchange.
>> >
>> >Fred, WW4LL
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" <lists at w1nr.net>
>> >To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:25 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>> >
>> >
>> >> Randy's interpretation is the way I have been operating for 20+
>years...
>> >>
>> >> Mike, W1NR
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Randy Thompson" <k5zd at charter.net>
>> >> To: "'Fred Dennin'" <fdennin at numail.org>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>;
>> >> "'Pete Smith'" <n4zr at contesting.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:56 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > However, the rules do not specifically limit you to only one signal
>on
>> >the
>> >> > air.
>> >> >
>> >> > To quote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "1. Single Transmitter (MS): Only one transmitter and one band
>permitted
>> >> > during
>> >> > any 10-minute period, defined as starting with the first logged QSO
>on a
>> >> > band.
>> >> > Exception: One-and only one-other band may be used during any
>10-minute
>> >> > period
>> >> > if-and only if-the station worked is a new multiplier. Logs found in
>> >> > violation of the 10-minute rule will automatically be reclassified as
>> >> > multi-multi."
>> >> >
>> >> > Read carefully, it says you have one transmitter operating under the
>> >> > 10-minute rule for band changes.  Then you can have another band
>> >> > (transmitter) that can work multipliers that has its own 10-minute
>rule.
>> >> > Nothing about only one transmitted signal between the two.
>> >> >
>> >> > While it could be worded much clearer, all of the CQ multi-single
>> >> > operations
>> >> > I have participated in have had two transmitters (sometimes
>transmitting
>> >> > at
>> >> > the same time).
>> >> >
>> >> > Randy, K5ZD
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>> >> >> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Fred Dennin
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:52 PM
>> >> >> To: cq-contest at contesting.com; Pete Smith
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My understanding is that only one signal is permitted on the
>> >> >> air simultaneously.  That is the only way that we have run
>> >> >> all Multi Single contests.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 73'........Fred WW4LL
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Pete Smith" <n4zr at contesting.com>
>> >> >> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:23 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Multi-Single Rule
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'm not clear on whether Multi-Singles in CQWW are
>> >> >> permitted to have two
>> >> >> signals on the air simultaneously so long as they otherwise
>> >> >> comply with the
>> >> >> 10-minute/mult rule.  This has lockout implications, but I'm
>> >> >> sure it's been
>> >> >> resolved long since -- what's the story?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>> >> >> > The World HF Contest Station Database
>> >> >> > was updated on 18 August 2005
>> >> >> > 2988 contest stations at
>> >> >> > www.pvrc.org/WCSD/WCSDsearch.htm
>> >> >> >
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