[CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted Categories, Rules, etc.

[Paul J. Piercey]

Gah!!

Please reverse my answer again as I just reread the question. My answer is
NO for the below stated reasons.

In other words.... You are Assisted.

73 -- Paul VO1HE  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Piercey [mailto:p.piercey at nl.rogers.com] 
> Sent: December 5, 2006 19:45
> To: 'cq-contest at contesting.com'
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted 
> Categories,Rules, etc.
> 
> I've changed my mind due to more research and my response to 
> another posting.
> 
> If you asked for assistance it denotes a plan to get 
> assistance and is therefore grounds to be placed in the 
> "Assisted" category. It doesn't matter that you never got 
> that assistance directly from the requests. It was your 
> intention. My answer is now YES. Disregard that portion  of 
> the answer I gave earlier. I reserve the right to change my 
> mind again in the future based upon further discussion and 
> research. :)
> 
> It'll take a rule change to convince me that acting on 
> unsolicited, unplanned info would equate to being "Assisted" however.
> 
> 
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul J. Piercey [mailto:p.piercey at nl.rogers.com]
> > Sent: December 5, 2006 15:26
> > To: 'cq-contest at contesting.com'
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted 
> > Categories,Rules, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> > > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > George Fremin
> > > III
> > > Sent: December 5, 2006 04:44
> > > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted 
> > > Categories,Rules, etc.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 05:53:29PM -0800, Tree Tyree N6TR wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So Ken - maybe I have been shouting too much and I missed
> > what you
> > > > have been saying?
> > > > 
> > > > Do we agree that:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. If you are asking where to find the VY1.
> > > > 2. Someone comes along and tells you were to find it.
> > > > 3. You go off and work the VY1.
> > > > 
> > > > That this is assistance?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Let me give a more explicit example.
> > > 
> > > -----------------------------
> > > Consider this:
> > > 
> > > I (K5TR) am in the SS.
> > > 
> > > I still need West Texas and KP4 for a sweep.
> > > 
> > > I am call CQ and running guys.
> > > 
> > > Someone calls in and we exchange information.
> > > 
> > > I ask him, "Do you know where West Texas and/or KP4 are?".
> > > 
> > > He either does not or does not answer.
> > > 
> > > I keep running guys.
> > > 
> > > A few contacts later I work someone else.
> > > 
> > > I ask him, "Do you know where West Texas and/or KP4 are?".
> > > 
> > > Still no information.
> > > 
> > > I keep running guys.
> > > 
> > > Someone comes by and tells me that NP4A is on 21.354.
> > > 
> > > I dial my second radio to 21.354 and work NP4A. 
> > > 
> > > --------------------------------
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Can I still enter as a single op unassisted station?
> > > 
> > > Yes or No
> > > 
> > > I would like to see a show of hands on this question.
> > 
> > Technically, you are requesting assistance therefore it *should be* 
> > considered grounds for entry in the "Assisted"
> > category. However, it is not the direct use of a spotting network, 
> > unless you want to consider every station on the air a network, and 
> > therefore not covered under the existing rules of engagement.
> > 
> > That makes it a NO from me according to the rules.
> > 
> > The best gauge of its "legality" is to determine if anyone has ever 
> > been disqualified in a contest for this practice.
> > According to many on this reflector this is not a new thing so 
> > historical records would indicate if it has been used as 
> grounds for 
> > disqualification.
> > 
> > You would be better off to stop the pileup and say "CQ West 
> Texas or 
> > KP4 only" instead of asking someone directly to point you to them. 
> > That way you are not asking anyone in particular, you're 
> merely being 
> > selective in who you wish to contact.
> > 
> > 73 -- Paul VO1HE
> > 
> > 
> > 
>