They people on the towertalk reflector are the absolute EXPERTS on birds, plastic owls, and how to orient them true north to get the best effect... have you asked on there??? David Robbins K1TTT e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net web: http://www.k1ttt.net AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net