[CQ-Contest] Live Audio - K5ZD for CQ WW CW

[kh6nd at hawaii.rr.com]

After several years of no longer being subscribed to this reflector, but 
reading the archives from time to time, I have just now been strongly 
compelled to re-engage here in light of this discussion, and what in my 
opinion is a truly bizarre post by K3BU that I just found on the 3830 
reflector.

Yuri...

Do you actually think that it's okay for you to jump categories after 
the fact, just so you can put yourself in the record books in a 
different category than that in which you competed?

I wonder what the CQ WW committee will think about this blatant 
admission on your part. And what about the guy that may have actually 
competed in this category in good faith, whose honest effort may fall by 
the wayside, after having adhered to the spirit of the rules that the 
large majority of us here hold so dear?

What in the world are you thinking, K3BU ???

Mike
KH6ND



How is audio streaming soliciting contacts? There is no request for people
to listen or work me.  I am not giving out frequency.

It is a cool use of technology.

By the way, I will be posting my score to the getscores.org scoreboard this
weekend too.
If the CQWW Committee rules that it is against the rules, then I will stop
doing both.

And Yuri, enjoy the contest!


Randy, K5ZD

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
 > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
 > k3bu at optonline.net
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:44 PM
 > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
 > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Live Audio - K5ZD for CQ WW CW
 >
 >
 > Randy K5ZD wrote:
 >
 > > The non-amateur means rule applies only during the contest. You can
 > > take out network TV adverts before the contest announcing your
 > > operation if you want.
 > >
 >
 > Streaming audio or video IS DURING the contest and soliciting
 > stations to "work me" (and hear yourself - reward).
 > Additional "advertising" is before the contest - making it
 > known "I will be on, streaming.
 >
 > Why did CQ WW CC asked about the opinions about the real time
 > score board? That pales in comparison to "work me - you can
 > hear yourself" real time. We should get CQ WW CC ruling on
 > this, before everybody starts "screaming" live whatever. As
 > it stands now, it is a matter for disqualification according to rules:
 >
 > >>The use by an entrant of any non-amateur means such as telephones,
 > >>telegrams,
 > internet, or the use of packet to SOLICIT contacts during the
 > contest is unsportsmanlike and the entry is subject to
 > disqualification. Action and decisions of the CQ WW Contest
 > Committee are official and final.<<
 >
 >
 >
 > > As for the motivation to work one station over another,
 > there are many
 > > elements of that. Some guys only work rare stations. Does
 > that make it
 > > unfair to be rare? Some guys only work their friends. Or
 > the loudest
 > > signals. Is it unfair to be well known or loud?
 > >
 >
 > Motivation and solicitation by non-amateur means as outlined
 > in the rules are two, way different things.
 >
 > > Randy, K5ZD
 > >
 >
 > Call me Luddite or old fashioned, but trying to follow the
 > spirit and meaning of rules.
 > Rather than having streaming audio or video I would suggest
 > that having real logs published on the web (after the contest
 > log submission deadline) would be much better motivation and
 > education for little pistols and big guns. Another big plus -
 > deterrent to blatant cheaters by having logs available for
 > scrutiny by competition.
 >
 > (OK, what is the REAL reason for streaming? Demonstrate how
 > wonderful (good looking) or magnificent operator one is? In
 > my book, any real life, anything, during the contest is
 > distraction to serious contesters. If one wants to lure
 > little pistols and bystanders, than I can see the benefit
 > (solicitation).
 >
 > Just this OF opinion.
 >
 >  Yuri, K3BU
 >
 > Let's have a log deadline 7 days after the contest, 21 days
 > process the logs and post rough results and logs, another 14
 > days for corrections etc. and publish final results. That
 > would be progress and encouragement to participate. Now we
 > are streaming real time wannabe stars and waiting 9 months
 > for the birth of the results. Welcome to 21 century and computer age!