[CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

No.  I'm not talking about a so-called level playing field, that is a
different issue.  I'm talking about taking responsibility for one's own
operating.  That and respect for other band users.

I would hate to see any contest rule's changed to put in specific frequency
restrictions. But, IMHO if certain members of the contesting community
continue to step on other users of the band under the guise of "it's legal,"
that may happen.

A rule change of this nature would not neccesarily follow any band-plan.
And a "No SSB below 7020" or "below 1825" or whatever would be easier to
enforce than you might think... with today's existing technology, packet
spots, even your own log (when the software logs actual frequencies for tx &
rx) could be used against you.  But I'd rather see us reign ourselves in
before extreme measures like this would be neccesary.

What I think this entire discussion revolves around is the lack of respect
that some contesters (not all, not even most) have for other band users,
pure and simple.  Hiding behind "it's legal" isn't the point.  Pushing the
CW users out of the bottom of the band during an SSB contest (and vice
versa) is the actions of a bully.  It's not right.  Period.

73

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv at subich.com]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:59 AM
To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band



I'm saying that a contest sponsor cannot enforce anything more
restrictive than the regulations of the particular country in
which the station is operating.  To do so opens the very real
possibility of keystone copy, kangaroo courts, and unequal
enforcement.  Who is to decide which "bandplans" may be violated
and which may not?  Is SSB on 7010 any worse than SSB on 1833?
What level of proof should be required?

All these garbage complaints about legal operation is just more
of the same "level the playing field" nonsense.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw at verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:26 PM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>
>
> Oh.  So what you're saying is, since it's not prohibited by
> law, anything
> goes.
>
> And if a contest sponsor wants to "enforce" ethical behavior,
> it exposes
> them to ethical questions.
>
> Do I understand you correctly?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv at subich.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>
>
>
> Sorry, as long as the situation exists as it does ... no legal
> impediment to the rest of the world operating below 7040 on
> phone and a situation where the majority of the world does
> not operate transceive, I would do EXACTLY what the major
> big gun stations do, listen as low as I need in order to find
> a clear spot.  There is nothing to prevent it in any national
> regulations and there is no way contest sponsors can enforce
> any rule concerning a bandplan - just look at 160 meters and
> all the SSB stuff below 1843 - and any attempt to enforce a
> bandplan that does not have the force of regulation exposes
> the contest sponsor to serious ethical and legal questions.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw at verizon.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:50 PM
> > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> >
> >
> > So we should just keep quiet and look the other way?
> >
> > Sorry, but if we don't do anything, it will only get worse.
> > Considering
> > that several of the top offenders (K3LR, KC1XX to name two)
> > are present or
> > represented on the reflector, if we ignore it, they will
> > continue.  At least
> > now they know that we're on to them.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv at subich.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:35 PM
> > To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > W3WN writes:
> >
> > > Yes, the issue of SSB encroaching on the 40 meter CW band has
> > > been discussed before, some might even say ad infinitum
> ad nauseum.
> > > However, in the past, the discussion has centered around SSB below
> > > 7030 kHz or 7025 kHz.  I don't recall (although I could be wrong)
> > > a past discussion about SSB all the way down to 7007, 7005, even
> > > 7001 kHz -- effectively obliterating the CW part of
> > > the band.  Sorry gentlefolk, that's bad amateur practice.
> > >
> > > Yes, it's allowed in many administrations around the world.
> > > That doesn't make it right.  Just because you can do it doesn't
> > > mean that you should.
> >
> > Self-enforcement will never fly.  As long as one competitor has the
> > ability to push the envelope the others will do so in order to stay
> > competitive.  The only thing that will fix the "problem" is uniform
> > allocations globally.  Allowing most of the world to operate any
> > mode, anywhere, any time will never work - bandplans or contest
> > sponsors will not make any difference.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
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