[CQ-Contest] Self Spotting

[ku8e]

Steve,

The section 3.14 you quoted is in the General Rules for ARRL Contests.

Section 1.1.General Rules for ARRL Contests. states the following: 
"1.1.Rules for individual contests or events, including Field Day, take 
precedence over all General Rules."

If you look at the ARRL DX Contest rules there is no mention about rules on 
spotting. It refers to the General Rules for All ARRL Contests" and "General 
Rules for ARRL Contests on bands below 30 MHz (HF)" . So the rule 3.14 would 
apply (at least you think it would).

If you then look at the General Rules for HF Contests below 30 Mhz 
http://www.arrl.org/contests/announcements/rules-hf.html it states the
following for the Single-Op Unassisted Category :
"2.1.1.Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements involving 
other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, Internet, etc) is NOT 
permitted."

That seems pretty clear. You can't use packet in any way or ask someone to 
spot you.

But if you look at the rule for Single-Op Assisted (which probably applies 
for the multi-op categories) it says:

"2.2.1.Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements involving 
other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, etc) not physically located at 
the station IS permitted."

My question is what does "operating arrangements involving other 
individuals" mean. Can that be interepted as it is OK to ask someone to spot 
you ???

Also, which General Rules apply for the ARRL DX Contest - The "General Rules 
for ARRL Contests" or the "General Rules for HF Contests below 30 Mhz "

I agree with everyone that self-spotting should not be allowed but the way 
the ARRL rules are written it doesn't seem to be clear on the subject.

Jeff  KU8E


















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen M. Murphy" <murphys at comcast.net>
To: <ku8e at bellsouth.net>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self Spotting


> The ARRL rules about this couldn't be more clear.  Look under the General 
> Contest Rules, number 3.14:
>
> "3.14. In contests where spotting nets are permissible, spotting your own 
> station or requesting another station to spot you is not permitted."
>
> -Steve N8NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ku8e at bellsouth.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self Spotting
>
>
>> It also says the rules for a specific contest override the general rules, 
>> which is one of the rules George quoted.
>>
>> Does that mean the statement for SOA and multi-ops in the actual ARRL DX 
>> Contest rules
>>
>> "2.2.1.Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements 
>> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, etc) not 
>> physically located at the station IS permitted."  can be interepted that
>> you CAN self spot ??  Especially the part about "operating arrangements 
>> involving other individuals"
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>>
>>> From: George Fremin III <geoiii at kkn.net>
>>> Date: 2007/03/05 Mon PM 01:53:01 EST
>>> To: ku8e at bellsouth.net
>>> CC: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self Spotting
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 11:13:06AM -0500, ku8e at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> >  It appears from the rules that while self-spotting is frowned upon
>>> > it is only a violation of the rules in ARRL DX if you are Single -
>>> > Op - Unassisted.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is in the rules and it is no allowed.
>>>
>>> http://www.arrl.org/contests/announcements/rules-all.html
>>>
>>> 3.14. In contests where spotting nets are permissible, spotting your
>>> own station or requesting another station to spot you is not
>>> permitted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ARRL rules were split up into several parts in an effort to save
>>> space when printing them in QST.  But they should be put back together
>>> so you do not have to go to diffrent places on the web. ie. all the
>>> rules should be in each contest's rules.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> George Fremin III - K5TR
>>> geoiii at kkn.net
>>> http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
>>>
>>>
>>
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