[CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING

Wed Mar 28 09:10:15 EST 2007

Since remote stations are not competitive with SO2R big contester stations, than let's do what we do so often - make another category just for remotely operated stations.  We cud call it "SO1R", i.e "Single Op One Remote".  Or, maybe just cut that down to "SOR".  Maybe that wud encourage people to develop the technology for really competitive contest remote stations.

As someone suggested, I went and listened to DX Tuners web saite.  It became evident that one could easily do exactly as Mike suggested, i.e. listen on a remote receiver for a clear freq in Eu on which to call CQ.  Since u are not using the remote RX to copy a station u are working, why doesn't that still fall within the SO rules?  For u Eu stations looking for an edge, when I have my remote up and running , I will let u guys access it to find clear run freq for u here in NA, after u work me , of course.

Dennis, K2SX/4

-----Original Message-----
>From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2007 9:58 PM
>To: 'Richard Thorne' <rmthorne at suddenlink.net>, "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" <w4tv at subich.com>
>Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com, 'Eric Hilding' <dx35 at hilding.com>
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING
>
>Rich and all,
>
>This is obviously a wave of the future just like SO2R but different.  The
>hobby is not in a position to start excluding anyone from contests.  The
>technology today does not allow one to be very competitive while operating
>remotely.  If I can build a station on some remote island and operate from
>home using the internet, satellite or whatever might be down the road why
>not?  The transmitting and receiving is all happening on that island.
>
>The big issue to me,  which there is no way to police, is the use of remote
>receivers, which there are plenty.  It sure would have been nice to find a
>clear spot on a EU receiver this last weekend instead of hoping the one I
>picked might be clear or using a receiver on the east coast to listen to my
>run frequency and picking off 2nd/3rd layer stations that were just over my
>noise.
>
>The internet and remote stations might just be the ticket to get more folks
>interested in ham radio.  Especially the younger generation living on city
>and restricted developments.
>
>I would agree that the contest sponsors should be addressing this.
>
>Mike W0MU
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard Thorne
>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:56 PM
>To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com; 'Eric Hilding'
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING
>
>Joe, W4TV, this note is not directed towards you, but you have, as well as a
>few others have struck a cord with me, ie the operator should be in the 500m
>circle.
>
>OK folks, as one who has put a lot of time and effort into building a
>reliable remote station for dxing and contesting, I'm starting to take this
>personal.  Some of you are leaning towards rule changes that would exclude
>my operating, not gonna happen on my watch.
>
>I haven't heard one single argument why I shouldn't operate remote be it
>7 miles up the road from my home, like I currently do, or a station in
>Italy, which can easily be done.  Sounds more like, if I can't put up a
>decent antenna and be competitive, either can you.
>
>If the transmitter and receiver and antennas are within a 500m circle,
>they're in a 500m circle. Period.  Don't give me the lame "but your not 
>there" stuff.    I guarantee you I've put just as much work, if not 
>more, in my station than you have in yours, due to the technological hurdles
>I have had to jump.  
>
>This lame argument against remote operations,  ranks right up there with the
>past arguments that only station owners should operate their own stations
>and not have guest ops, because the guest op doesn't have a station. 
>
>And Joe, don't take this personal, even though I am, but if I have to be
>there, I guess theres no sense in having my Microham band decoder in line
>for auto antenna switching.  Heck since I'd be in front of the radio I could
>make the simple arm movement to manually change my old heath kit antenna
>switch ;-) .  Or there would be no sense in having my Idiom press rs-232
>rotor control, I'd be there to turn the rotor. 
>
>So in summary, if some one can put a remote station on Aruba and operate it
>from home in the USA, more power to them. 
>
>And for the record I'm not working you the person, I'm working your
>transmitter location for points, a multiplier or a DXCC entity.  I could
>careless where your sitting.
>
>Flame suite on, but you best have yours on too.
>
>Rich - N5ZC
>
>
>
>Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> Rick,
>>
>>   
>>> However, "in an abundance of caution" I personally want to get a 
>>> firm, iron-clad answer to this from the Contest Sponsors.
>>>     
>>
>> Like you, I would want a firm ruling from the contest sponsors and a 
>> decision on what constitutes "all equipment" particularly as 
>> technology has the potential to change the nature of the transceiver 
>> as we currently know it.
>>
>> My personal prejudices are that the operator should also be within the 
>> "circle" but that may not be practical for some people.  However, in 
>> any case, the operator should be within the same entity (or contest 
>> multiplier).  Thus an operator in the US should not be permitted to 
>> run a DX contest remotely from the Caribbean or other "DX" location 
>> ... an operator in Florida should not do Sweepstakes remotely from VY1 
>> ... even an operator in Ohio should not contest remotely from WV.
>>
>> Still, those "political" issues are separate from the technology 
>> questions.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>  
>>
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