[CQ-Contest] Circle Jerks

Tue May 29 01:20:01 EDT 2007

> Grid squares change a lot in size depending on latitude.  
> Florida would get the most in this kind of deal.

The percentage of change between 25 degrees north and 45 degrees 
north (Florida Keys to US/VE boarder) is relatively small - more 
than the amount of "water" in grid squares that cover Florida. 
Now if you wanted to compare the area of grid squares in Brazil 
vs. the area of grid squares in UA0, I'd admit that the differences 
are significant.  Still, if you can come up with another easy to 
administer system that specifies club area in a "n" square miles 
or 'n' square km format, be my guest.  

Circles, as shown by Pete, aren't the solution - even without 
considering that a circle totally screws Florida.  Florida is 
only 150 miles wide (St. Petersburg to Daytona Beach) but is 
425 miles from Homestead to Tallahassee.  Any circle is 50% water 
and still fails to contain at least one significant portion of 
the state. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Violette [mailto:danki6x at earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:27 AM
> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Circle Jerks
> 
> 
> Grid squares change a lot in size depending on latitude.  
> Florida would get
> the most in this kind of deal.  Dan KI6X 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
> Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:12 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Circle Jerks
> 
> 
> K8DD writes: 
> 
> > In ARRL contests there is a second option to the circle.
> > According to http://www.arrl.org/contests/cc.html Unlimited 
> and Medium 
> > clubs have the choice of the circle or section.  " All stations and 
> > all operators must reside within the club territory, which 
> is either 
> > defined by a 175-mile (282-kilometer) radius from a 
> designated area or
> > one ARRL section."    Not real hard to understand what that means.
> 
> That still penalizes clubs where a given state is chopped 
> into multiple
> sections (e.g., the Florida Contest Group). 
> 
> The "smart" way to resolve the geographical limits for a club 
> is to use a
> given number of grid squares (6 character).  14 or 15 squares 
> would be about
> the same geographical area as the current
> 175 mile (ARRL) limit and would be significantly easier to 
> administer. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV 
>   
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of hank k8dd
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:58 PM
> > To: kr2q at optonline.net
> > Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Circle Jerks
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/28/07, kr2q at optonline.net <kr2q at optonline.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems to me that the concept of circle is wrong.  What
> > about places along the coast?
> > > What about places along deserts?  What about etc?  Doesn't
> > a circle hurt them?
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > In ARRL contests there is a second option to the circle.
> > According to http://www.arrl.org/contests/cc.html Unlimited 
> and Medium 
> > clubs have the choice of the circle or section.  " All stations and 
> > all operators must reside within the club territory, which 
> is either 
> > defined by a 175-mile (282-kilometer) radius from a 
> designated area or
> > one ARRL section."    Not real hard to understand what that means.
> > 
> > CQ WPX says "Participation is limited to members operating within a 
> > local geographical area (exception: DXpeditions especially 
> organized 
> > for operation in the contest and manned by members)."  No 
> definition 
> > of "local geographical area", but one could say it is somewhere 
> > between a 300 kilometer circle and a call area.  Or two.  
> Or three in
> > some cases!     Not real easy to understand what that means.
> > 
> > CQ WW says "Participation is limited to members operating within a 
> > local geographic area defined as within a 275 km radius 
> from center of 
> > club area (except for DXpeditions specially organized for 
> operation in 
> > the contest; club contributions of DXpedition scores are 
> percentaged 
> > to the number of club members on the DXpedition).  Not real hard to 
> > understand what that means .....
> > 
> > Change it and make them all the same.  "Participation is limited to 
> > members operating and residing within the club territory  
> (except for 
> > DXpeditions sponsored by the club for the operating event.  
> Scores to 
> > be percentaged to the number of club members operating on the 
> > DXpedition).
> > 
> > Then there is the exchange .....
> > Add a Check .... you know .... THE CHECK ....
> > the year you were first licensed,
> > the year you think you were first licensed, the year you 
> wanted to get 
> > licensed, the year you didn't get licensed, the year you were born, 
> > the year you were married, deflowered, or attended your first 
> > Hamvention(r), Or some two digit number that you got by 
> throwing darts 
> > at the dart board.
> > Etc, etc, etc.
> > 
> > And start it all off with a sync code (5nn or enn) to let 
> you sync to 
> > the speed in your brain to know that the rest of the exchange is 
> > coming at that speed.  Or slower.  Or faster.
> > 
> > 73    Hank/Duck    K8DD
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their
> > level then beat you with experience.'      -anon
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