[CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

Sun Aug 31 11:37:52 EDT 2008

Blimey, some of you US guys really do want to control everything and have
everything nailed. For goodness sake, we are just amateurs and it's a
voluntary reflector. Why get pissed just because someone you did not expect,
gets a top ten finish and you didn't? All the reflector does is to give us
some idea of how we did in the immediate aftermath of a contest. I know that
it gives me instant gratification that I have a good score. Sadly that
doesn't last because my final score is never anything like my posted score! 

Incidentally, how long does it take the CQ and ARRL guys to finalise the
results prior to publishing them? IOTA results seem to come out only a few
months after the contest albeit that there are fewer entries than the US
sponsored contests.

Cheers,

Terry
G4MKP

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
cq-contest-request at contesting.com
Sent: 31 August 2008 13:09
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 68, Issue 41

Send CQ-Contest mailing list submissions to
	cq-contest at contesting.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	cq-contest-request at contesting.com

You can reach the person managing the list at
	cq-contest-owner at contesting.com

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of CQ-Contest digest..."

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Ron Notarius W3WN)
   2. Re: CQ WPX CW 2009 & Memorial Day Holiday (Mike Kasrich)
   3. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Georgens, Tom)
   4. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Peter Voelpel)
   5. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Bill Parry)
   6. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Aldewey at aol.com)
   7. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Robert Naumann)
   8. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Kenneth E. Harker)
   9. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Mark)
  10. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Barry)
  11. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Steve London)
  12. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Randy Thompson K5ZD)
  13. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Mark Beckwith)
  14. EU HF 2008 - Logs deadline "REMINDER" (Robert Bajuk)
  15. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Ken Widelitz)
  16. Re: Top Ten scores & 3830 postings? (Shelby Summerville)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:32:45 -0400
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: "CQ Contest Reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <AAEFLHCBNHJIOJKFMKNMKEGBCNAA.wn3vaw at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Eric,

Are you saying that reporting to the 3830 reflector should become mandatory?

Because otherwise, I don't understand what the problem is.

73, ron w3wn

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Eric Hall, K9GY
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:19 PM
To: CQ Contest Reflector
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

Umm, I looked over the CQ WW CW SOAB-LP results just published.

It appears that THREE stations submitted top ten scores but
did not report them on the 3830 reflector. I know reporting
on 3830 is not a requirement BUT if you have a top ten score
I would think that it would be reported to 3830 !

J88DR, OM5XX, and EA8CW magically appeared in the top ten...

CQ CONTEST!

_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:50:51 -0400
From: Mike Kasrich <aj9c at indy.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WPX CW 2009 & Memorial Day Holiday
To: Barry <w2up3 at verizon.net>
Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>, "Eric
	Hall,	K9GY" <k9gy at sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48B96C5B.1030703 at indy.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Makes a difference for me.  Every year I go to the Indy 500 so cqww cw 
goes bye bye except for every 7th year (or is it sixth?)

aj9c

Barry wrote:

>Not sure if holidays make a difference.  Is there more US activity in 
>CQWW CW when it doesn't (or does) fall on Thanksgiving?
>Barry W2UP
>
>Eric Hall, K9GY wrote:
>  
>
>>FYI... 
>>
>>The U.S. holiday (Memorial Day) is Mon, May 25th, 2009. 
>>
>>So that means next year the CQ WPX CW (30-31 May) does 
>>not occur on the holiday... 
>>
>>I would hope that would increase the U.S. participation 
>>levels?
>>
>>CQ CONTEST! 
>>_______________________________________________
>>CQ-Contest mailing list
>>CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
>>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 8/29/2008
6:12 PM
>>
>>  
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:16:25 -0700
From: "Georgens, Tom" <Tom.Georgens at netapp.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: <n2ic at arrl.net>, "CQ Contest Reflector"
	<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID:

<273FE88A07F5D445824060902F700344017CD229 at SACMVEXC1-PRD.hq.netapp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I think it is unfair to question the accuracy or integrity of a log
solely because the results are not posted on 3830.  However, I do
consider it a breach of contest etiquette.  With the long lead-time to
published results, 3830 has greatly facilitated the ability to get rapid
feedback on one's performance, albeit preliminary.  To not post one's
score should not diminish a competitor's accomplishment, however, it is
a dis-service to rest of the competitors and reflects poorly on the
individual

73, Tom W2SC   

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve London [mailto:n2icarrl at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:44 AM
To: CQ Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

Eric Hall, K9GY wrote:
> Umm, I looked over the CQ WW CW SOAB-LP results just published. 

> 
> It appears that THREE stations submitted top ten scores but did not 
> report them on the 3830 reflector. I know reporting on 3830 is not a 
> requirement BUT if you have a top ten score I would think that it 
> would be reported to 3830 !

This is becoming a more widespread practice. Some folks simply don't
appreciate the scrutiny of having their 3830-posted score compared with
their final score.

> 
> J88DR, OM5XX, and EA8CW magically appeared in the top ten... 

Too bad. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

73,
Steve, N2IC
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:17:28 +0200
From: "Peter Voelpel" <df3kv at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <25587BB16CB34B1686761BE8C4B8F314 at ap200>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Nothing is easier then reading a Cabrillo log into a contest programm, at
the same time the program calulates the claimed score

73
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve London

At WRTC-2006, I found it interesting that the log adjudicators were able to
create a "real" claimed score for each competitor within minutes of the end
of the contest using the submitted QSO's in the Cabrillo log.

73,
Steve, N2IC
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:04:10 -0500
From: "Bill Parry" <bparry at rgv.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: <n2ic at arrl.net>,	"'CQ Contest'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <33D86CC1B6C84DBFAE0A6D5174F6FD93 at chief>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Steve,

I have noticed the same thing.  I always enter my score into 3830, even if I
don't enter my score in the contest. Contests are fun for me regardless of
my final place in the standings. Sometimes I change my entry from low power
to high power in the contest or decide to check the cluster. I still enter
my score in 3830 in the closest type of classification that is available. 

I suppose that if I assumed that everyone was a cheater, then I might be
leery about letting folks know my score. They might use that information to
modify their logs. I guess that I am just not of that mind set. When the
contest is over, I immediately upload the contest into my logging program,
send the file to LOTW and send the info to 3830. I may or may not send the
entry in to the contest sponsor, if I do it goes in within the day. I have
already had all the fun.

Maybe we should remove 5% of the score from logs for each week past the
contest until deadline! ;-)

Bill W5VX

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve London
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:37 AM
To: CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

DL8MBS wrote:

> I wouldn?t go so far to raise bad thoughts against someone not posting 
> to an unofficial body like 3830 - as interesting it is.
> A claimed scores list at the sponsor?s site after deadline, open logs 
> and the percentage of subtracted points in the final scores list can 
> help for enough disinfection - and this by the really relevant body of 
> each contest - its sponsor.

In the past, the CQWW site has posted only received logs and their category,
not 
claimed scores. The claimed scores posted by the ARRL are taken from the 
CLAIMED-SCORE line of the Cabrillo file. That may be accurate, or not. At 
WRTC-2006, I found it interesting that the log adjudicators were able to
create 
a "real" claimed score for each competitor within minutes of the end of the 
contest using the submitted QSO's in the Cabrillo log.

73,
Steve, N2IC
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:36:32 EDT
From: Aldewey at aol.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Message-ID: <d0f.379d635a.35eb0950 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I usually always upload my score to 3830 for another reason - regardless of 
the score.  I like the format of the summary that 3830 generates.  When I am

done posting, I cut and paste the summary from 3830 into a message which I
post 
on our local refllector where we all share our experiences in the contest.
I 
know that the logging programs can generate some of these summaries but I
have 
always stuggled finding a report format that I like as much as the one that 
3830 generates.

73,

AL, K0AD

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:41:56 -0500
From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov at w5ov.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: "'CQ Contest'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <73AF83A348744B29AD734FE521B1ADAC at SONYRB42G>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Bill,

I?m just using your comments to stress how important it is for logs to be
submitted to the contest sponsor even if you don't want to compete for
anything.

If you don't want to compete, please submit your log as a check log so your
log data can be used to confirm the qsos you made. It makes the log checking
process more accurate if more logs are submitted.

I always submit my logs as a real entry whether I make 2 qsos or 2,000.

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Parry
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:04 PM
To: n2ic at arrl.net; 'CQ Contest'
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

Steve,

I have noticed the same thing.  I always enter my score into 3830, even if I
don't enter my score in the contest. Contests are fun for me regardless of
my final place in the standings. Sometimes I change my entry from low power
to high power in the contest or decide to check the cluster. I still enter
my score in 3830 in the closest type of classification that is available. 

I suppose that if I assumed that everyone was a cheater, then I might be
leery about letting folks know my score. They might use that information to
modify their logs. I guess that I am just not of that mind set. When the
contest is over, I immediately upload the contest into my logging program,
send the file to LOTW and send the info to 3830. I may or may not send the
entry in to the contest sponsor, if I do it goes in within the day. I have
already had all the fun.

Maybe we should remove 5% of the score from logs for each week past the
contest until deadline! ;-)

Bill W5VX

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve London
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:37 AM
To: CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?

DL8MBS wrote:

> I wouldn?t go so far to raise bad thoughts against someone not posting 
> to an unofficial body like 3830 - as interesting it is.
> A claimed scores list at the sponsor?s site after deadline, open logs 
> and the percentage of subtracted points in the final scores list can 
> help for enough disinfection - and this by the really relevant body of 
> each contest - its sponsor.

In the past, the CQWW site has posted only received logs and their category,
not 
claimed scores. The claimed scores posted by the ARRL are taken from the 
CLAIMED-SCORE line of the Cabrillo file. That may be accurate, or not. At 
WRTC-2006, I found it interesting that the log adjudicators were able to
create 
a "real" claimed score for each competitor within minutes of the end of the 
contest using the submitted QSO's in the Cabrillo log.

73,
Steve, N2IC
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:31:22 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Harker" <kenharker at kenharker.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: CQ Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <20080831003122.GE12511 at kenharker.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

     I know the complaint today is about people who do not post to 3830 
at all, but eventually we'll hear from people who think the post to 
3830 needs to be done within an hour of the contest ending or something...

     I always like to add commentary to my 3830 postings, including listing 
all the gear/antennas/etc. I was using for the contest.  I like to go back
and
read my own posts from years past to see what I did, how the station I use
has changed, what mistakes I felt I made, etc.  And I like to put those 
comments in my Cabrillo file as SOAPBOXs, and I never, ever post to 3830 
without also taking the time to email in the log at the exact same time (I
am paranoid about doing one task and forgetting to do the other).
Sometimes, 
I can't devote enough time to that whole process for several days.

-- 
Kenneth E. Harker WM5R
kenharker at kenharker.com
http://www.kenharker.com/

------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:18:02 +0200
From: Mark <pa5mw at home.nl>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: CQ Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <48BA298A.6000700 at home.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Very much agree here.
The 3830 list is voluntary and has no offical means.
Due to general mistrust it now should be regarded as bad behaviour if 
you do not upload your score within xx hours ?
Bad idea.

73, Mark
http://pa5mw.blogspot.com

Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Are you saying that reporting to the 3830 reflector should become
mandatory?
>
> Because otherwise, I don't understand what the problem is.
>
> 73, ron w3wn
>  
>   

------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:21:43 +0000
From: Barry <w2up3 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: CQ Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <48BA8CD7.4040400 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

The nice thing about 3830 is it's great to see scores and comments while 
the contest is fresh in everyone's mind.  By the time results are 
published, it's just a list of numbers that blends in with all the other 
contests that one participated in last year.

One solution is the contest sponsors post the list of high claimed 
scores.  If logs are now open, why not claimed scores?  Of course, the 
best solution is requiring all logs be submitted shortly after the 
contest ends and have results available within a month.  Which major 
contest organizer will be first to accomplish that?  DARC maybe?

73,
Barry W2UP

Mark wrote:
> Very much agree here.
> The 3830 list is voluntary and has no offical means.
> Due to general mistrust it now should be regarded as bad behaviour if 
> you do not upload your score within xx hours ?
> Bad idea.
>
> 73, Mark
> http://pa5mw.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>   
>> Eric,
>>
>> Are you saying that reporting to the 3830 reflector should become
mandatory?
>>
>> Because otherwise, I don't understand what the problem is.
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>>  
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008
5:18 PM
>
>   

-- 

Barry Kutner, W2UP             Newtown, PA   

------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:45:34 -0600
From: Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: CQ Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <48BA926E.9080607 at arrl.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Georgens, Tom wrote:
> I think it is unfair to question the accuracy or integrity of a log
> solely because the results are not posted on 3830.  However, I do
> consider it a breach of contest etiquette.  With the long lead-time to
> published results, 3830 has greatly facilitated the ability to get rapid
> feedback on one's performance, albeit preliminary.  To not post one's
> score should not diminish a competitor's accomplishment, however, it is
> a dis-service to rest of the competitors and reflects poorly on the
> individual
> 
> 73, Tom W2SC   

I think I am at least partially "to blame" for some people not posting
scores to 
3830. A few years ago, I posted to CQ-Contest comparing 3830-posted scores
to 
the final results. Based on the e-mail I received, some folks didn't like
their 
score reduction (or category reclassification) being made so public.

I would like to see the log submission robot make its own claimed score 
calculation, and that score posted to the "logs submitted" web site. Surely,

that wouldn't be a difficult add-on to the robot processing.

73,
Steve, N2IC

------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:50:39 -0000
From: "Randy Thompson K5ZD" <k5zd at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: "'CQ Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <379E6998D292499DB45B284E04FAA067 at k5zd1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Which high claimed score should be published?

The score the entrant puts in their Cabrillo file?  (some leave this field
blank and many are very wrong)

-or-

The raw score calculated by the log checking software?

The participants claimed score would be the most fair, but from observation
has the least accuracy or meaning.

The calculated raw score is the most accurate, but opens the possibility of
error rates being calculated and made public.

I think the 3830 mailing list does its job perfectly.  The people who want
to contribute their scores right after the contest can do so.  Everyone gets
an immediate feedback as to how people did, but we still get to have a
little bit of mystery of not knowing if there is another big score out
there.

Randy, K5ZD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:22 PM
> To: CQ Contest Reflector
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
> 
> The nice thing about 3830 is it's great to see scores and 
> comments while the contest is fresh in everyone's mind.  By 
> the time results are published, it's just a list of numbers 
> that blends in with all the other contests that one 
> participated in last year.
> 
> One solution is the contest sponsors post the list of high 
> claimed scores.  If logs are now open, why not claimed 
> scores?  Of course, the best solution is requiring all logs 
> be submitted shortly after the contest ends and have results 
> available within a month.  Which major contest organizer will 
> be first to accomplish that?  DARC maybe?
> 
> 73,
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> Mark wrote:
> > Very much agree here.
> > The 3830 list is voluntary and has no offical means.
> > Due to general mistrust it now should be regarded as bad 
> behaviour if 
> > you do not upload your score within xx hours ?
> > Bad idea.
> >
> > 73, Mark
> > http://pa5mw.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> >   
> >> Eric,
> >>
> >> Are you saying that reporting to the 3830 reflector should 
> become mandatory?
> >>
> >> Because otherwise, I don't understand what the problem is.
> >>
> >> 73, ron w3wn
> >>  
> >>   
> >>     
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> > 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release 
> Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM
> >
> >   
> 
> -- 
> 
> Barry Kutner, W2UP             Newtown, PA   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:52:29 -0500
From: "Mark Beckwith" <n5ot at n5ot.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <DFC52867708B4CF88DE8A8CB9894B222 at Vaio>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Tom said:

> To not post one's score should not diminish a competitor's
> accomplishment, however, it is a dis-service to rest of the
> competitors and reflects poorly on the individual

Interesting discussion.  Personally I prefer more rules than less, 
competitor-wide expectations should ideally be clear in writing so you know 
what you were getting in to before jumping in.  Alas contesting is not that 
way, and I am certain it never will be.  That said, adjust your approach and

do what you know full well is expected:

Send in your score to 3830.  Do it as fast as you can.  Understand that the 
longer you wait, the more you will raise eyebrows about your own personal 
integrity.  That's just the way it is whether you think it's right or not.

I would temper these comments with "if you're a contender."  If you're not a

contender, it's less important.  Like Bob said, turn your log to the sponsor

whether you made 2 or 2000 QSOs.  If you made 2 QSOs (i.e. not a 
particularly competitive entry, you got on part-time for fun to work your 
friends, etc) you get a pass on the 3830 part.  If you entered seriously, 
and are going to wind up in the top-10, be prepared for a royal, and 
DESERVED razzing if you don't submit to 3830 quickly.

Mark, N5OT 

------------------------------

Message: 14
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:44:37 +0200
From: "Robert Bajuk" <s57aw at hamradio.si>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] EU HF 2008 - Logs deadline "REMINDER"
To: 3830 at contesting.com, cq-contest at contesting.com
Message-ID:
	<a93b89e00808310644o153c085fqa37c12a3254691e9 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello EU contesters,

Just to remind you that deadline for EU HFC 2008 logs submission is today,
Aug 31.

Please check SCC home page if your log is listed as received and under
apropriate category.

http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/euhf/2008/logs2008.htm

73 Robert, S57AW

------------------------------

Message: 15
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:49:15 -0700
From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: "Mark Beckwith" <n5ot at n5ot.com>,	<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBKMPKENFADHHAMOPIEEINIOAA.widelitz at gte.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi Mark,

I've got to disagree with you on this one.

How long do I have before you raise your eyebrows at my integrity for a
belated post to 3830?  And why?

What kind of royal razzing would follow?

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

------------------------------

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:14:13 -0400
From: "Shelby Summerville" <k4ww at arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Top Ten scores & 3830 postings?
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <0131EC9D119E4508BB7C07CDBDF276B0 at acer6e395d0925>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Mark Beckwith wrote: "Personally I prefer more rules than less,
competitor-wide expectations should ideally be clear in writing so you know
what you were getting in to before jumping in."

Personally, I would prefer that the indication of SO2R, on 3830, be a 
requirement, rather than an option? That way, I would know exactly with whom

I'm competing.

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW 

------------------------------

_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest at contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

End of CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 68, Issue 41
******************************************