[CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year

Fri Dec 5 10:58:54 EST 2008

I don't think anyone advocates operators NOT giving their calls frequently, but it seems the traffic on 
this reflector is from those operators on the calling side of the pileup who are oh, so inconvenienced by 
having to wait a Q or two or three for the station to ID. More than that is irresponsible. I'd agree to that 
entirely.

Sorry, but having been "under the wall" of a pileup, I can say there are times when you DON'T WANT to 
attract any more attention to yourself. When you can't make out any of the hundreds of stations calling 
already, why would you want to add any more to the pile?

I can well imagine a new contester's prayer: Please God, don't let anyone spot me! I know, 'cuz I said 
that myself a couple of times during WW.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with the following:

pileup: xadapug%&(*&D   K1TTT    (*&)%&^$%&DLHDI&^*(%^(*&#@@    K1AR   &)&)^&^()*&^
me: k1ttt 599 8
k1ttt: 599 5
me: k1ar 599 8
k1ar: 599 5
me: tu 6y1v

I don't think it's fair to say that DX stations who do not ID as frequently as you'd like are being lazy. I 
don't think there is any requirement for a DX station to open up to an open QRZ after every Q if he has 
a list of callsigns derived from the last pileup.

Put yourself in the shoes of the DX station, who well may be inundated with a massive pileup that most 
of which you can't hear. Most of these guys are in a pressure situation and really are trying their best to 
work through the pileup the best they can. 

Also, there were times when I'd work three Qs while the pileup was still raging. And I ID'd every time. It 
is certainly possible that just because YOU didn't hear him ID doesn't mean he didn't. After all, all these 
guys were still calling even while I was working three other guys.

There are two sides to every story. Please just try to see both of them.

73, kelly
ve4xt

> 
> From: "Paul J. Piercey" <p.piercey at nl.rogers.com>
> Date: 2008/12/05 Fri AM 06:59:08 CST
> To: "'Glenn VA3DX'" <va3dx at sympatico.ca>, 
> 	"'David Kopacz'" <david.kopacz at aspwebhosting.com>
> CC: CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
> 
> I think the point is "Why can't the running station give his call more
> often?" How could it be a waste of time to verify the call of the station
> you're calling? You'd still have to wait for him to give his call after he
> worked you... unless you plan on asking everyone you work what their call
> is. How much time is saved then?
> 
> These guys have come to rely on the cluster and it's made them lazy. They
> start out giving the call often but when the pileup starts, and they know
> it's because someone must have spotted them, they ditch that and leave it to
> the cluster to do their identifying. 
> 
> I've found it's easy to get into a good rythym of giving your call after
> every contact on phone and, in CW, the logging programs have macros that can
> do it automatically so it shouldn't even be an issue. I've heard many top
> ops doing it and it doesn't seem to bother their scores too much. Although,
> I do find it funny that I still get guys asking for my call immediately
> after I have just given it out.
> 
> After all, isn't it in the running station's best interests to ensure that
> anyone calling, not just the cluster users, has all the necessary
> information to complete the contact as quickly and efficiently as possible?
> Why complicate matters by leaving out the first part... the callsign? A
> handfull of "CL?" or "your call" wipes out any time advantage they've gained
> by not giving the call anyway.
> 
> Think of it from a marketing perspective. Your callsign is your ad and if
> you don't put it out there enough, you're missing a part of your market?
> 
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Glenn VA3DX
> > Sent: December 4, 2008 14:54
> > To: David Kopacz
> > Cc: CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
> > 
> > If you needed ZONE 37 , and the station was gining 59937...
> > 
> > Why wouldnt you call ?
> > 
> > You would be wasteing operating time while you waited for him to ID
> > 
> > VA3DX
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
> > 
> > 
> > > If I don't hear the DX station give his/her call sign, I don't call.
> > > Even if I followed a spot from the cluster, I can only presume the 
> > > call sign using the frequency. It is each operator's 
> > responsibility to 
> > > listen first, and then call the desired station only after 
> > identifying 
> > > the station using the frequency.
> > > 
> > > Why would anyone do anything different?
> > > 
> > > It wouldn't hurt my feelings if packet clusters were banned 
> > altogether 
> > > in contesting.
> > > 
> > > David ~ KY1V
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> > > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:47 AM
> > > To: n2ic at arrl.net
> > > Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
> > > 
> > > I've (mostly) solved that problem by replying  with cl? and not 
> > > sending my exchange until he responds with his call.  That usually 
> > > works, but sometimes the  non-IDer sends TU or ditdit anyway, as in 
> > > reality, there is no exchange to copy in this contest.  If so, he 
> > > winds up with a ding for N-I-L.
> > > 
> > > Barry W2UP
> > > 
> > > Steve London wrote:
> > >> It gets real interesting when you work the zone 33 station without
> > > knowing his
> > >> call. You send "5nn4 cl?", and all you get is dit dit. So, you say
> > > piss on it
> > >> and spin the dial...there's lots of other zone 33 stations signing
> > > their calls. 
> > >> And then, after the contest, the same zone 33 station 
> > tells you that
> > > you are
> > >> being unsportsmanlike for costing him a NIL penalty. Very funny !
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >> Steve, N2IC
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >>   
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Barry Kutner, W2UP             Newtown, PA   
> > > 
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