[CQ-Contest] Ad Nauseam...

[Marty Durham]

There is change and then there is flogging the dead horse...

BTW...with SKIMMER technology "anyone" can setup a skimmer receiver on all bands and record (as in recreate) anyone that is heard and build their log from that file...or, in REAL time keep 'tabs' on the competition.

As for NOT making all of your contacts in public...they are made on a VERY PUBLIC resource...ANYONE is allowed to 'listen in'.  Do you try to "hide" your contacts on the air?? Seems counterproductive to making as many contacts as you can by being as VISIBLE (Audible) as you can.

As for this never ending argument of 'tactics' and strategies...when have you (or anyone) ever seen TWO contests that had exactly the same propagation...
There are so many variables as to make it laughable...sure the top players 'know' when to go from one band to another...and many of them have 'learned' to move, or the fact that they 'missed' a band opening by...guess what...comparing logs.

It is sad to see people thinking that "potential lawsuits" could come to pass because a HAM RADIO CONTEST log was put in the public eye...public in this case being just those contesters that are truly interested.

Maybe...we should have 'tech inspections' before the contest, like NASCAR, to ensure that the amps and station configurations are within the limits of your country/license capabilities...

W1MD

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kopacz [mailto:david.kopacz at aspwebhosting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:37 PM
To: w1md at cfl.rr.com; CQ-Contest at contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs

They are not fallacious arguments.

When you go to the drug store and order your prescriptions, someone could be standing there listening, when you place your order. The same is true when you make one of those "public contacts", someone MAY be listening, but in both cases, not EVERYONE is listening. Not everyone knows your business.

You state, "we don't put our finances in public display" and I argue that we never put our logs in public display either, but someone changed that. Perhaps one day someone will change our personal finances, especially if we all do what you ask and keep our mouths shut!

The argument that all my contacts are made in public is the fallacious argument.

So, perhaps this argument is 15 years old, but many, including myself, are visiting it for the first time. I exercise my freedom of speech just as you are welcome to exercise your delete button. Instead, you would rather people simply shut up, so that they could not participate in a movement to reverse a decision they feel was made poorly.

The code/no code argument raged on for years also, until finally change was made. I was against that change, but now that it is made, I don't see ham radio falling to the way side!

Change comes from discussion. People that fear change, also fear discussion.

David ~ KY1V


-----Original Message-----
From: w1md at cfl.rr.com [mailto:w1md at cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:17 AM
To: David Kopacz; CQ-Contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs

Fallacious arguments. We don't put our finances in public display...period. No comparison to operating in a VERY PUBLIC event.

This is getting TEDIOUS and old...15 years old.

Time to shut this thread DOWN...

Simple answer really...if you don't want your log PUBLIC...don't send it in...then you can frame it and worship it and keep it all to yourself (you and your being used in the general sense)...

w1md

---- David Kopacz <david.kopacz at aspwebhosting.com> wrote: 
> W5OV said 
> 
> The questions that truly remain unanswered are:
> 
> Why does one care if his or her log is made public? 
> 
> What is there in one's log that one would want to hide? 
> 
> What is one afraid of? 
> 
> Why would one choose to not operate a contest that would make one's log
> public? 
> 
> What difference does it make?
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Let's change the subject slightly and rephrase the questions, then tell
> me your thoughts.
> 
> 
> Consider your personal finances and purchases, most of which are
> probably made in public.
> 
> 
> Why does one care if his or her complete finances are made public? 
> 
> What is there in one's check book that one would want to hide? 
> 
> What is one afraid of? 
> 
> Why would one choose to not make purchases that would cause one's
> finances to become public? 
> 
> What difference does it make?
> 
> 
> At first glance, you might say, so what?
> 
> What if you are purchasing Acyclovir because you contracted Herpes?
> Would you want your neighbors to know? (Familiar with HIPAA privacy
> laws?)
> 
> What if you were purchasing a Playboy magazine, would you want your
> neighbors to know?
> 
> What if you went to the casino and withdrew a substantial amount of cash
> and bet it on one number on the roulette wheel? 
> 
> People may want to keep purchases secret from a number of people for a
> variety of reasons. It doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong.
> 
> How about the college kid that doesn't want his parents to know he
> bought the girlfriend they dislike a birthday present?
> 
> The list goes on and on.
> 
> It has been stated over and over by many hams, who they work, when and
> on what band they work them is to their advantage. As with most
> amateurs, I don't mind sharing that information with other hams I like
> at the next contest dinner, but I may not care too much for Joe Ham from
> East Oshgosh and I don't want him accessing my logs.
> 
> That should remain my choice, not the sponsors.
> 
> Now, let me move on to something more important...hehe.
> 
>  David ~ KY1V
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