[CQ-Contest] FW: Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...

Fri Jan 18 15:19:33 EST 2008

> Andy, you just hit my fundamental objection to GetScores.  I completely
> missed the CQWW SSB opening on 10 meters this year.  I heard stations
> working guys, but didnt work any of the Sporadic E into Europe.  Had a ham
> been looking at W3LPL's or KC1XX's or K1TTTs scores and saw rapid
> movements in 10 meters, do you think that peson could have dumped radio 2
> on 10 meters or moved to 10 all together?  Absolutely.

That's up to the logging software writers.  As has been pointed out
apparently writelog gives you the option to post the breakdown or not.  I
know there are those operators out there who will refuse to post a score at
all, and some who even refuse to use 3830 until they have done the final
cleanup and submission of their log... we will never get them to use the
scoreboard.

However, the discussion was based on the premise that WATCHING the top
scorers breakdowns would help someone beat them... this I contend is a bogus
argument.  The top operators and multis would not change their strategy
based on what someone else was doing, even if they bothered to waste their
time to analyze what was happening in real time.  

As a frequent organizer of m/m operations, my strategy is simple, be on any
band that we might make qso's on all the time.  that won't change if I see
w3lpl making qso's on 10m when we aren't, because we are probably already
there calling cq right next to him.  And even top single ops I have hosted
here I don't think would even mostly watch the scores, let alone be swayed
to change what they think their best strategy is by them.  I want to see as
many scores as possible, with as much detail as possible, mostly to get more
interest from the 'little' guy, the casual operators, the non-contesters,
who might see that there really is life on 10m and get on to make a few
contacts.  Or who might wonder how we could possibly be running 100 qso's an
hour on 15m when they can't hear anything and come to investigate.  

This type of real time exposure of a contest is something that has always
been missing and I think has kept many hams who might otherwise be
interested from participating... its just too long to wait to see results
with scores that don't get published for 6 months or more.  Especially today
with the instant feedback that people have come to expect out of the
internet if we don't add some kind of feature like this to contesting we are
going to fail to attract young replacements for our rapidly graying
community.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> Dave, I think you're asking the wrong question.  The issue here is how to
> "market" the scoreboard so that you get more high-scoring ops to post.  If
> disclosure of band breakdowns is required, we both know that some top ops
> will feel that is a sufficient argument not to post.  All I'm suggesting
> is
> make it the op's choice whether or not to submit breakdowns.
> 
> As for "proof", take a look at CQWW.  How many ops posted only their
> overall totals, and sent zeros for their band breakdowns?  At least one of
> those who did this is a frequent single-op top dog.  I think he uses
> Writelog, and I don't know how Writelog has implemented score posting, but
> I'd say if it takes this option to make more of the top guys feel
> comfortable, why not?
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> 
> 
> At 01:11 PM 1/18/2008, David Robbins K1TTT wrote:
> >Pete, name the top competitor who has stated that they won't post their
> >score if it contains a band breakdown.  I know it has been discussed, but
> >has any top scoring station specifically refused to post their score
> because
> >it contains a breakdown.
> >
> >
> >David Robbins K1TTT
> >e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> >web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> >AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> > > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 15:44
> > > To: CQ-Contest at Contesting.COM
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] FW: Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
> > >
> > > Dave and I have pretty much agreed to disagree about this, but I think
> > > that
> > > one disincentive to top ops using the scoreboard is that there is, at
> > > present, no option to withhold band-by-band QSO and Mult numbers.
> Some
> > > people apparently are using a logging program that sends zeros for
> these
> > > numbers, either as an option or as the default, and some of the top
> > > scorers
> > > who *are* using the scoreboard appear to use this logging software.
> Other
> > > software (notably N1MM Logger) sends all the band by-band numbers.
> > >
> > > Why does this matter?  I submit that many top contesters are highly
> > > competitive and take the prospect of giving away their strategy very
> > > seriously.  Dave argues that if you're paying *that* close attention
> to
> > > your competition's scoreboard numbers you're gonna lose anyhow.  That
> may
> > > be, but the counter argument would be "why take the chance?"
> > >
> > > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > >
> > > At 07:30 PM 1/17/2008, David Robbins K1TTT wrote:
> > > >Sorry if this is a dupe, but I didn't see it come through on cq-
> contest.
> > > >Gerry has done some more work on getscores.org as detailed below.
> Right
> > > now
> > > >it is running as if both naqp ssb and jan vhf are in progress if you
> want
> > > to
> > > >test.  Sometime either tomorrow night or Saturday morning after we
> are
> > > done
> > > >testing it will switch back to the proper start times to clear out
> the
> > > >testing scores.
> > > >
> > > >Personally I would sure like to see more of the big m/m and other top
> > > >scorers get into this.  Even if you don't want to watch for yourself,
> its
> > > >interesting for those of us who do to have a big target to shoot for!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >David Robbins K1TTT
> > > >e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> > > >web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> > > >AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: yccc-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:yccc-
> bounces at contesting.com] On
> > > >Behalf Of Gerry Hull
> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 05:36
> > > >To: CQ-Contest Reflector; YCCC
> > > >Subject: [YCCC] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
> > > >
> > > >Thanks to a lot of feedback from the community, I've implemented a
> few
> > > >changes to increase functionality:
> > > >
> > > >The scoreboard will now track more than one contest at a time.   This
> is
> > > >important for weekends like the upcoming one,
> > > >where we have two popular contests -- NAQP and ARRL VHF.    Now,
> choose
> > > your
> > > >contest and go ahead and post.
> > > >
> > > >The "testing" page has been modified to show all fields, including
> the
> > > >contest name.  It will be pre-pended with [TEST] if you post outside
> the
> > > >valid contest hours (UTC) for a specific contest.   If you want to
> test
> > > that
> > > >your scoring to the site properly, just fire up your logger, post a
> > > score,
> > > >and take a look at http://www.getscores.org/testing.aspx.
> > > >
> > > >There are some challenges left -- VHF multiplier breakdowns are still
> an
> > > >issue (you'll see a dash right now);  and, though it is a great
> contest,
> > > the
> > > >Stew Perry is a challenge for both this site and loggers, as far as
> > > >reporting goes.
> > > >
> > > >Activity continues to increase...   What a blast to watch the big
> guns
> > > and
> > > >little pistols compete!
> > > >
> > > >I look forward to your feedback and seeing you on the air -- and on
> > > >getscores!
> > > >
> > > >A big THANKS to Dave, K1TTT, who has been a constant supporter and
> > > champion
> > > >for this site!
> > > >
> > > >73,
> > > >
> > > >Gerry, W1VE/6Y6C
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