[CQ-Contest] Skimmer for S/O in IARU

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> I see nothing in the CQ rules that conflicts with or 
> redefines the rule that I quoted as you are claiming.

Interpreting the CQ rules as you propose would make SO2R operation 
and bandscopes "DX Alerting Assistance" - both provide assistance in 
finding new stations and identifying band openings (e.g. DX).  They 
may not identify a specific station but that is not a requirement 
of the rules as you interpret them.  

Again, technology is not "assistance."  Only another person can 
provide "DX alerting assistance."  
    


> -----Original Message-----
> From: w5ov at w5ov.com [mailto:w5ov at w5ov.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:05 PM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: 'Robert Naumann'; 'doug smith'; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Skimmer for S/O in IARU
> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> I have to presume that what you state is merely your opinion.
> 
> If you are basing what you say on a published definition of 
> the rule, I would appreciate you providing a reference to 
> where it is published so that I can review it myself.
> 
> I see nothing in the CQ rules that conflicts with or 
> redefines the rule that I quoted as you are claiming.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob W5OV
> 
> 
> >> In contrast to your assertion, the published CQWW rules for single 
> >> operators are very plain where it says:
> >>
> >> "The use of DX alerting assistance of any kind places the 
> station in 
> >> the Single Operator Assisted category".
> >
> > Prior to Skimmer, the only way to detect DX stations other than by 
> > tuning across them with the main or second receiver was information 
> > from another human operator.  In the CQ rules, "of any kind" is the 
> > same as "by any means [of communication]" and was written 
> that way to 
> > avoid the need to specify packet, internet, FM voice frequencies, 
> > telephone calls or even another operator in the net room at a club 
> > site ... and potentially remote receivers.  It was not intended to 
> > prohibit additional receivers within the operator's station.
> >
> > Skimmer is no more "DX alerting assistance" than a scanning 
> receiver 
> > and a CW reader - which have ALWAYS been legal if anyone 
> had bothered 
> > to implement them.  Skimmer it is a computer controlled scanning 
> > receiver, bandscope and multi-channel CW reader that identifies the 
> > calls it hears
> > -
> > nothing more and nothing less.  The operator must turn on the 
> > hardware, start the software *AND* look at the screen to 
> see the data 
> > just as he would need to do with any other CW reader.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Robert Naumann [mailto:w5ov at w5ov.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:32 AM
> >> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Stan Stockton'; 'doug smith'
> >> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Skimmer for S/O in IARU
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe (W4TV),
> >>
> >> I would like for you to cite your source for your 
> definition of what 
> >> assisted means.
> >>
> >> In contrast to your assertion, the published CQWW rules for single 
> >> operators are very plain where it says:
> >>
> >> "The use of DX alerting assistance of any kind places the 
> station in 
> >> the Single Operator Assisted category".
> >>
> >> The words "of any kind" encompass anything that might be used to 
> >> provide assistance to a single operator. There is no distinction 
> >> between outside of one's station or within one's station. 
> The point 
> >> is not where it comes from, but instead the point is that there 
> >> should not be any kind of assistance to a single operator.
> >>
> >> Skimmer's purpose and intent is to provide DX alerting assistance.
> >>
> >> You asked:
> >>
> >> Q: "Where does a computer controlled second receiver 
> located within 
> >> the 500 meter circle feeding a multiple channel code reader become 
> >> Assistance"?
> >>
> >> A: When it provides DX alerting assistance to a single operator.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Bob W5OV
> >>