[CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge

[Stan Stockton]

Joe,

If you don't agree that "arranging schedules" by a third party is 
soliciting contacts, that is great.  It puts your judgment in question 
on every other definition you have made regarding this subject.

Go to a big station, get a dozen people to arrange schedules for you 
during the contest via telephone, beat K3WW and I will bet you a 
thousand dollars you will be disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Stan, K5GO



>
>> "The use by an entrant of any non-amateur
>> means such as telephones, telegrams,
>> internet, or the use of packet to
>> SOLICIT contacts during the contest is
>> unsportsmanlike and the entry is subject
>> to disqualification."
>>
>> Want to rework that list a little - perhaps take out at least
>> 4 of the 5 examples you listed?
>
> No.  As long as those methods are not used to SOLICIT contacts,
> their use to receive information from other individuals (e.g.
> SMS from a web site or a phone call "701DX is on 14.018") would
> be legal for an assisted entrant.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stan Stockton [mailto:k5go at cox.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:52 AM
>> To: ve4xt at mts.net; stan at aqity.org; 'Michael Coslo'; Joe
>> Subich, W4TV; 'Kerr,Prof. K.M.'; 'Robert Naumann';
>> 'cq-contesting cq-contest'
>> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- "Joe Subich wrote:
>> >
>> > > Name a few of the DX alerting assistance examples, other than
>> > > packet, that would be outlawed for single operator and
>> > > allowed for Single Operator Assisted without putting the
>> > > entrant in the Multi-Single Category.  In other words what
>> > > does OF ANY KIND mean and what are some examples.
>> >
>> > Other than packet and the internet ...
>> >
>> > 1) FM voice nets - the old local "squawk box"
>> > 2) telephone calls
>> > 3) fax
>> > 4) schedules arranged by a third party
>> > 5) SMS (text message)
>>
>> So all of those you mentioned are allowed in the single
>> operator assisted category?  I never paid too much attention
>> to the assisted category so did not know.
>>
>> So, if I understand you correctly in the Single Operator
>> Assisted category with schedules being arranged by a third
>> party being OK, it would be just fine to have a group of
>> people making telephone calls, sending SMS messages and
>> sending faxes all weekend to make schedules for guys to work
>> me while I was operating in the assisted category.
>>
>> Now that is what I call CW Contesting!  We should "Go Green"
>> in that category, bypass the radio part with that outdated
>> mode called CW, save a lot of energy and see how many people
>> we can call on the telephone in a weekend.
>>
>> Before sending I just could not believe your interpretation
>> of the rules so went back to the CQ WW Rules to see what they
>> actually say:
>>
>> "The use by an entrant of any non-amateur
>> means such as telephones, telegrams,
>> internet, or the use of packet to
>> SOLICIT contacts during the contest is
>> unsportsmanlike and the entry is subject
>> to disqualification."
>>
>> Want to rework that list a little - perhaps take out at least
>> 4 of the 5 examples you listed?
>>
>> Stan, K5GO
>>
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Stan Stockton [mailto:k5go at cox.net]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:49 PM
>> > > To: ve4xt at mts.net; 'Michael Coslo'; Joe Subich, W4TV;
>> > > 'Kerr,Prof. K.M.'; 'Robert Naumann'; 'cq-contesting cq-contest'
>> > > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---- "Joe Subich wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > So what?  The software can export the data as blinking lights,
>> > > > a paper tape, or an electric shock to sensitive parts of the
>> > > > anatomy and it is still NOT DX Assistance because it does
>> > > > not involve the participation of another person.
>> > >
>> > > Joe - If I bought into your definition of DX alerting
>> > > assistance of any kind, but had my viewpoint on Skimmer, I
>> > > would then argue, using your logic, that if someone put out a
>> > > very short CQ (which will happen) for the express purpose of
>> > > being "spotted" on hundreds of skimmers it was assistance
>> > > because the CQing station was a person and was providing
>> > > assistance to the single operator - in effect self spotting
>> > > himself.  This is every bit as reasonable an argument as you
>> > > are making regarding assistance of any kind.
>> > >
>> > > The CQ WW rule says:
>> > >
>> > > The use of DX alerting assistance of any
>> > > kind places the station in the Single
>> > > Operator Assisted category.
>> > >
>> > > Name a few of the DX alerting assistance examples, other than
>> > > packet, that would be outlawed for single operator and
>> > > allowed for Single Operator Assisted without putting the
>> > > entrant in the Multi-Single Category.  In other words what
>> > > does OF ANY KIND mean and what are some examples.
>> > >
>> > > Stan, K5GO
>> > >
>>
>
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