[CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card

[Kelly Taylor]

As much as I have full and utmost respect for Jim and his abilities, I have 
to side with Ron on this one, not just for the reasons that Ron elucidates 
so well, but also for the fact that it amounts to the presumption of guilt, 
which goes against everything we've strived to create in today's society and 
violates tenets that date back to the Magna Carta.

Presuming the guilt of everyone for the sake of a handful of cheaters is a 
complete perversion of natural justice.

We would fight to the death if the police tried such a tactic on something 
meaningful like homicide or fraud, why do we give in so easily when it 
applies to something as trivial as amateur radio contesting?

It is also why I'm opposed to any proposal that requires complete recordings 
of contests.

Harrison Bergeron's got nothing on Winston Smith.

(One's a Vonnegut reference, the other is Orwellian.)

73, kelly
ve4xt

ps: Jim, I hope this doesn't mean I can't stop by sometime when I'm in 
Austin...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card


> Oh?  Really?
>
> So what you're telling us is that anyone running an older radio (like a 
> Ten
> Tec Corsair, or a Drake TR4C-Sherwood, or for that matter any radio that
> doesn't have a computer interface) can't compete for an award because they
> don't have the capability of storing the QSO frequency?
>
> Thanks.  Nice to know I'm DQ'd from winning anything before I turn the 
> radio
> on.  Way to go.
>
> Sorry Jim.  In your zeal to ferret out cheaters and cheating, you're also
> severly impacting those of us who manage to be somewhat competitive with
> equipment that didn't just come off the boat.  Or are you saying that only
> those who can afford to buy the latest and greatest deserve to compete?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Jim George
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:46 AM
> To: Joe, K8FC; Scott Robbins
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card
>
>
> Good point. This is a key. It will be important for the contest sponsors 
> to
> require the frequency of the QSOs be part of the database submitted in the
> Cabrillo files. That should make a "signature" clear. The upcoming RDXC
> does just that.
>
> Jim George N3BB
>
> At 02:03 PM 3/10/2008 -0600, Joe, K8FC wrote:
>
>
>>snip
>
>
>
>>  it seems to me that any log
>>submitted by a station using the tactics you have outlined would obviously
>>show like a sore thumb.  Let's say the station was bouncing around using
> the
>>skimmer output,  the log would show the various frequency transitions in a
>>short period of time.  No way a non-assisted station would be S&P up and
>>down the band and logging qso's one right after another.  To me it would 
>>be
>>very obvious.  Effective S&P methods deem that you cover the band in a
>>linear fashion as to not miss the possible mults.
>>
>>73's
>>
>>/joe k8fc
>
>
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