[CQ-Contest] Fwd: Ethics

[Ed Muns]

Removing a QSO from the log as a result of receiving an email is a rules
violation.

Ed - W0YK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> kd4d at comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, 03 April, 2009 09:36
> To: CQ-Contest at Contesting.COM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fwd: Ethics
> 
> Hi Rick:
> 
> Faced with the NIL penalty, I would, in this case, remove the 
> QSO from my log before submittal.  I would include a note to 
> the contest sponsor, with the log information for the deleted 
> QSO, but I don't know if they would read it...
> 
> Cabrillo really needs a way to mark a QSO so it is left in 
> the log but isn't scored or penalized... :-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark, KD4D
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K1TTT" <K1TTT at ARRL.NET>
> To: "reflector cq-contest" <CQ-Contest at Contesting.COM>
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 11:41:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fwd:  Ethics
> 
> I would say the 'more ethical' approach would have been for 
> him to leave the contact in the log.  After all he did make 
> it, he can't cause it to go away just by taking it out of the 
> log, in fact in the old days that could have been construed 
> as falsifying your station log.  Then he should have 
> submitted the log to the contest sponsor with a note saying 
> that he should not get credit for the specific contact 
> because he accidentally violated his license restrictions.  
> Unfortunately Cabrillo doesn't let you mark contacts like 
> that as zero points and no multiplier credit like you could 
> do with paper logs so it would be up to the sponsor to 
> un-score the contact.
> 
> 
> 
> David Robbins K1TTT
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>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Dougherty NQ4I [mailto:nq4i at contesting.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:47
> > To: CQ Contest
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Fwd: Ethics
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Rick Dougherty NQ4I <nq4i at contesting.com>
> > Date: Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ethics
> > To: sawyered at earthlink.net
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All...this past weekend in WPX SSB, we worked a KB6 2x3 
> call sign 
> > on 15m....the qso took place on Friday evening on 15m...on 
> Saturday I 
> > received an email stating that the KB6 station had realized that he 
> > had worked us and he was outside his general class 
> privileges and that 
> > he was removing the contact from HIS log and suggested that 
> WE DO THE 
> > SAME!!!!
> > If I did not take his qso out of my log, then he would have 
> been a NIL 
> > and I would have been penalized even more...anyone ever had this 
> > before?
> > 
> > de Rick NQ4I
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Edward 
> <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > You must be assuming that the log shows frequency data.  
> In my case, 
> > > I am using older software that logs all 20M QSOs as 14000.
> > >
> > > In general, I disagree with the responsibility of the receiving 
> > > station "having any responsibility" of knowing the "other 
> stations 
> > > regs". Why pick on VEs as "they should know US regs".  
> Heck, I don't know VE regs.
> > > I have to assume after hearing decades of VEs working staions 
> > > simplex on 14150 - 14100 and 7100 - 7000 on SSB that they can 
> > > legally do that, but do I KNOW?  Nope.
> > >
> > > And what of the last few years when an I or a G or HB9 or 
> whatever 
> > > has called me on 7188 or even 7225 simplex?  I have no 
> idea whether 
> > > they can legally call.  All I know (through the 
> grapevine) is that 
> > > allocations are changing so they must have that ability now.
> > >
> > > I think it is totally unfair to ask the CQing station 
> doing 100+ an 
> > > hour to be "hanging out an ethical filter" in the heat of 
> the battle 
> > > as they log Qs.
> > >
> > > And contrary to the statement made earlier by someone 
> that this is a 
> > > 0.1% problem.  It absolutely is not.  I hear dozens of 
> out of band 
> > > Qs every contest on 40M as stations call simplex on EU stations 
> > > running split.  I am assuming most are using the cluster to point 
> > > and shout and not watching what they are doing.but that 
> is just an 
> > > assumption on my part.
> > >
> > > Ed  N1UR
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