[CQ-Contest] Fw: FW: Borrowing Callsigns

Wed Jun 10 12:16:07 PDT 2009

Borrowing Callsigns

> Guys
>
> I looked at my license very closely and it says NOTHIN about  Station 
> License,  Its   Just an amateur radio license.
>
> Its the Operator who gives permission to use his call and is the control 
> Operator.
>
> A Radio Station is some junk that is connected to Bed Springs or 6 X 6  6 
> el 20 meter Antenna system , Normally under 200 ft but can be lighted and 
> put up Higher ??
>
> Enuff about hypothecial situations , Not many contest stations are going 
> to worry if Joe (novice ) sets down on 14001 and starts making Q's .
>
> There I go with Station and it isn't licensed.
>
> Quack
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73 at gmail.com>
> To: "CONTEST" <CQ-Contest at CONTESTING.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:32 PM
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] FW: Borrowing Callsigns
>
>
>>
>> Well, the FCC rules don't say anything about borrowing callsigns, but I
>> think there's a loophole.
>>
>> Although there's a primary station location on each license, that's not 
>> the
>> only station of which you can be the station licensee (as opposed to the
>> control operator.) You can put a rig in your car and operate it under 
>> your
>> call, and you're both the station licensee and control op. You can hand 
>> the
>> mike to a passenger and they (or you) can be the control op, depending on
>> who has the higher set of privileges. Similarly, you can lug a portable
>> radio up a mountain and you're the station licensee.
>>
>> So, I think the loophole is that, by agreement with you, I can designate
>> your physical station as WC1M and it temporarily becomes my station and 
>> I'm
>> the station licensee. It's just a coincidence that the temporary address 
>> of
>> my station is the same as the address of your primary licensed station. 
>> In
>> effect, you're not borrowing my callsign, I'm borrowing your station! 
>> Then
>> I, the station licensee, can designate you as the control operator. I 
>> don't
>> think FCC rules require signing portable anymore (if they ever did), so I
>> think you can operate the station and sign WC1M without signing portable. 
>> I
>> couldn't find anything in the rules says I have to be there for the this 
>> be
>> true.
>>
>> So that takes care of your being able to effectively borrow the callsign.
>>
>> But ultimately the privileges that can be used are determined by the 
>> license
>> of the control operator, not the station licensee. If you're the control
>> operator, and you're a General, then you're restricted to General class
>> privileges.
>>
>> So I think the answer to your question is, "Yes, with my permission you 
>> can
>> borrow my callsign, but you can't exceed the privileges of your own
>> license."
>>
>> I think the same holds true when members of a club "borrow" a club 
>> callsign.
>> As long as the trustee agrees, whatever station they're operating becomes 
>> a
>> licensed station under the club callsign. A member can use the call at 
>> home,
>> at Field Day, at a special event station, etc. If the trustee is an 
>> Extra,
>> and the trustee is present or another Extra class control op is present,
>> then the station can use Extra class privileges. If the trustee is a
>> General, and the control operator is an Extra, then the members would 
>> have
>> to sign trustee-call/control-op-call to operate with Extra class 
>> privileges.
>>
>> The FCC rules are explicit about the case described above, where the
>> privileges of the control operator's license *exceed* the station 
>> licensee's
>> privileges. In that case, you have to sign station-call/control-op-call. 
>> For
>> example, if WC1M (Extra) is the control op at KA1LBW (General), and he 
>> wants
>> to use the KA1LBW call, he has to sign KA1LBW/WC1M. He can get around 
>> this,
>> however, by signing WC1M. I'm pretty sure in this case it's allowed 
>> because
>> the station equipment and location are "borrowed" by WC1M and this 
>> becomes
>> his temporary station.
>>
>> But the FCC rules don't address the case where the station licensee's
>> privileges exceed those of the control operator. There's no requirement 
>> to
>> sign station-call/control-op-call in this case. So, I think when a 
>> General
>> class licensee borrows an Extra class call (you borrow my call in your
>> hypothetical case), then you can sign just the borrowed call -- but you 
>> have
>> to stay out of the Extra class band.
>>
>> This seems like an omission in the rules. My sense is that the station ID
>> rules are supposed to help the FCC determine the privileges of the 
>> control
>> operator. But in this case they don't know who the control operator is. 
>> You
>> would think that the rules would require signing
>> station-call/control-op-call in this case. For my example, WC1M/KA1LBW. 
>> But
>> I don't see that requirement in the rules.
>>
>> 73, Dick WC1M
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Osborne [mailto:w7why at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:20 PM
>>> To: Dick Green WC1M
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Borrowing Callsigns
>>>
>>> Hi dick
>>>
>>> My original question was, "Can a general op borrow an extra callsign.
>>>
>>> Say I was a general, (I'm extra), could I do a WPX contest and sign WC1M
>> if
>>> you weren't around?  Even if I stayed in the general band?  73
>>> Tom W7WHY
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Right. What's been missing in this discussion is that if a General 
>>> > class
>>> > licensee operates at a station with an Extra class control op, the
>> control
>>> > op's callsign must be used if the station is operated with Extra class
>>> > privileges. So, if KA1LBW operates at station XYZ (it really doesn't
>>> > matter
>>> > which one), and WC1M is present as the control op, KA1LBW must sign 
>>> > WC1M
>>> > in
>>> > order to use Extra class privileges. If, however, the station is
>> operated
>>> > under the KA1LBW callsign, using Extra class privileges, it must be
>> id'ed
>>> > as
>>> > KA1LBW/WC1M. Not very practical, so unless it's some sort of special
>> event
>>> > station, most people would opt to sign WC1M.
>>> >
>>> > 73, Dick WC1M
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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