[CQ-Contest] WPX FAQ - Single op off times

Tue Mar 17 04:33:19 PDT 2009

How about having a discussion WITHOUT using the words "off time"? 

Single ops are allowed to operate up to 36 hours. Operating time is counted
from the first logged QSO until the last logged QSO. Any time there are 60
minutes or more between logged QSOs, that time is not counted as operating
time. 

David - K2DSL 

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tonno Vahk
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:42 AM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX FAQ - Single op off times

I agree with Randy and it seems pretty straightforward, I was amused and
amazed to see so many peculiar interpretations of the rule.

The only small disturbing thing is that in Cabrillo file you have to show
your OFF TIMES by periods and not your OPERATING TIME. Thus it does become a
bit controversial if you have less than 60 min in the beginning or end and
you have to show OFF TIME periods of less than 60 min there to complete 12
hours.

Actually myself I have always considered that in the beginning I should have
at least 60 min to qualify as OFF TIME but at the end of course when the 36h
is done it is done and if 27 minutes remains till the end then it does not
matter as it is has been clear that whenever 36h is full your log is cut by
checkers at this point.

Maybe the rules should be amended then to clarify this by "OFF TIME periods
can be less than 60 minutes when they are in the beginning of the contest
before any QSOs or at the end of the contest after all QSOs". That should
solve it. That also tells that any length of OFF TIME can clearly be in the
beginning or at the end.

73
Tonno
ES5TV

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:37 AM
To: 'Zivney, Terry L.'; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX FAQ - Single op off times

This is a "chicken and egg" issue that is kind of fun to noodle around.

There are two rules in play:
- Operate a maximum of 36 hours
- Off times must be minimum of 60 minutes

The question is which is more important?

My interpretation (and the way the WPX log checking is done) is that
operating time is the most important. The off time rule is just to create
some consistency and structure.

The contest begins when the first QSO is made.  That starts the "operating
clock."

To provide some definition around the meaning of off time the 60 minute
minimum rule was created.  It only says that once you start operating, you
must not make a QSO for 60 minutes in order for it to count as off time.  

So think of the "operating clock" as stopping when you are in an off time.
The "operating clock" restarts when you make a QSO.

The contest ends when the "operating clock" reaches 36 hours of operation.
Anything in the log after 36 operating hours is not counted.

So the length of time before you start and the length of time after your 36
hours is up do not matter because they do not impact the "operating clock."

Randy, K5ZD

PS - Only 10 days and 23 hours until WPX SSB!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Zivney, Terry L.
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:40 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX FAQ - Single op off times
> 
> >From the CQ WPX FAQ site:
> 
> Single operators must take 12 hours off during the contest.  
> How are off times calculated?
> 
> Single operator entries are permitted a maximum operating 
> time of 36 hours. Off times must be a minimum of 60 minutes. 
> The 60 minute period is defined the same as the 10-minute 
> rule described above. If your last QSO before an off time is 
> at 09:27, you may not make another QSO until 10:27.
> 
> Off times can be of any length. For example, you can have 
> breaks of 1 hour, 4 hours, and 7 hours. Or you can take all 
> of your off time in one 12 hour break. If you take a break 
> that is less than 60 minutes, this time will count as operating time.
> 
> Any QSOs in your log after 36 hours of operating time will be 
> removed without penalty during the log checking.  The rules 
> no longer require you to submit the list of off time periods 
> in your log. The log checking software will do the off time 
> calculations.
> 
> _________________________
> 
> This means that if you start the contest at 0059z that you 
> cannot count the first 59 minutes as off time.
> Similarly, if you make your last QSO at 2301z you cannot  
> count the last 59 minutes as off time.
> You need to remember this when taking your off times in the 
> middle of the contest.
> 
> However, the last section from the FAQ above seems to suggest 
> the following counter examples:
> 
> example 1:
> operate from 0000-2359z - 24 hours operating time off time 
> from 0000-1130z - 11:30 off time operate from 1131-2359z - 
> more than 12 hours operating time  so last 29 minutes QSOs 
> removed with no penalty to bring down to 36 hours total 
> operating time.  
> 
> example 2: 
> operate from 0000-2359z - 24 hours operating time off time 
> from 0000-1130z - 11:30 off time operate from 1131-2330z - 
> Finish 36 hours allowed operating time.
> But now  the last 29 minutes are too short to be an off time 
> - see second section in FAQ - minimum 60 minutes off time.
> 
> Terry Zivney, N4TZ/9  aka KS9K
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