On Thu, 29 October, 2009 8:07 pm, Michael Baker wrote: > > The real secret is how to keep the rate up while using this contraption. > > > > http://www.qsl.net/ct1boh/pt5t_secret.jpg Lucozade bottles, with their extra wide mouth, are simpler and more efficient. I know, I know, too much information! 73 Gerry GI0RTN