[CQ-Contest] Log checking with mismatched bands

[Ryan Jairam]

I agree that you can damage equipment but the point didn't really
stretch that far.  We are going into equipment issues when the
discussion is really about scoring.

It's about scoring and what determines a NIL and what not.

In CQWW I don't think that an incorrect signal report should give a
NIL.  For something like Winter Field Day it should and probably will.

In a SSB contest if you mistakenly put down CW as the mode even though
you made the contact in SSB, should you be penalized? I don't think
so, but of course the judges' decision is final.

In Sweepstakes, the band doesn't matter because you can only work a
station once regardless of band or mode.  I don't think that one
mistake with the band should result in a NIL. In the heat of a contest
sometimes you slip up, and if you don't have a CAT cable you can put
the wrong band.  A whole log full? Definitely should be penalized,
that's just carelessness.

Again, this is just my opinion. The judges' decision is always final.

73
Ryan N2RJ





On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Julius Fazekas <phriendly1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> The signal report topic has been beat to death for decades and really doesn't apply to band and time issues.
>
> Not everyone is connected to the internet, I check WWV and manually reset my computer clock before every contest, if needed.
>
> Depending on how your software and hardware is set up, it is possible to fry your finals or damage filters, matching and switching devices, not to mention causing unnecessary and unintentional QRM to others.
>
> I think these are much more serious issues than who gets a NIL and who doesn't. I'd rather understand what happened and fix the problem, if any and if possible. I know I'll make mistakes that will result in an occasional NIL...
>
> 73,
> Julius
>
> Julius Fazekas
> N2WN
>
> Tennessee Contest Group
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>
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> http://www.tnqp.org/
>
> Elecraft K2/100 #4455
> Elecraft K3/100 #366
> Elecraft K3/100 #1875
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Ryan Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ryan Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log checking with mismatched bands
>> To: "Julius Fazekas" <phriendly1 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc at citlink.net>, "Tree" <tree at kkn.net>, "David Levine" <david at levinecentral.com>, cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:31 AM
>> True, but look at it another way.
>>
>> If someone gives you a report other than "59" in a
>> contest...say in
>> CQWW he gives you a "41" but you log it as "59" anyway
>> (we're all 59
>> in contests, right?) Because we all know that there are
>> people who
>> think that a contest should have "honest" signal reports.
>>
>> Both you and that person submit a log. Your log shows "59"
>> and his
>> shows that he sent you a "41" Should you be penalized for
>> miscopying
>> the signal report, even though the signal report is
>> largely
>> unimportant in the contest?
>>
>> Mind you, many (most) contest software pre-populates the
>> signal report
>> field with "59" anyway. It's automatic.  Yes you
>> should be paying
>> attention, but is the signal report important?
>> Similarly, is the band
>> important in sweepstakes since you can only work any
>> station only
>> once, regardless of band?
>>
>> The timestamps I agree you should lose points if they are
>> way off but
>> even LoTW allows you +/- 30 minutes, so someone must not
>> think they're
>> that big of a deal.
>>
>> Oh by the way I do my best to ensure the frequencies and
>> bands are
>> correct, and I use CAT so I get exact frequencies in the
>> log. But I do
>> that because I feel it increases the integrity of log
>> checking and
>> it's "the right thing to do" not because of any compulsion
>> that I will
>> lose points if I don't.  My computer clock is also
>> synchronized via
>> NTP (3 sources) and all that is checked out
>> pre-contest.  It's
>> overkill but I pay attention to detail.
>>
>> Ryan N2RJ
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Julius Fazekas <phriendly1 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Timestamps and frequencies don't test skill, only
>> the
>> >> equipment and software.
>> >
>> > Ummm, if the timestamps and frequencies are wrong
>> doesn't that mean that your software and/or equipment is not
>> either setup and/or working properly?
>> >
>> > Sounds like that would present a bigger problem than
>> poor logging...
>> >
>> > Julius Fazekas
>> > N2WN
>> >
>> > Tennessee Contest Group
>> > http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en
>> >
>> > Tennessee QSO Party
>> > http://www.tnqp.org/
>> >
>> > Elecraft K2/100 #4455
>> > Elecraft K3/100 #366
>> > Elecraft K3/100 #1875
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan A. Jairam,
>>
>



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