[CQ-Contest] Fw: [RRDXA] E73M - I have cheated

Sun Aug 21 08:00:10 PDT 2011

I have tried to stay out of most of these debates since I really am in the
little pistol category and truly a real newbie when it comes to the
contesting world (only 3 years of it now) but this one has been touching a
nerve with me lately. As a former police officer I can tell you that people
are not honest by nature its part of who we are. A perfect example last
night I worked a station in the NAQP who was holding down a frequency for a
long period of time and I went back to discuss with him the fact that he was
going 3khz + or - of his center and he made the comment "that he was driving
the amp to hard" now this is a CQ contest with a power limit of 100 watts
and there was a number of stations that I know were not running 100 watts at
all. Unless they happened to have a large beam pointing right at my station
when they came out of nowhere then something wasn't right with it.  But the
question is how do we curb these individuals? I have seen a lot of debate
here about how we can do it by ear which truly is just not a very effective
tool because some stations are running amazing antennas which gives them a
marked advantage over everyone else regardless of what people say stations
like K1TTT and the like who has my dream setup will always have a dominating
score over me based on my geographical location and minimal antennas. I can
safely say that David has a station that I can only dream of owning and
someday when I win the lottery I will own. But how do we level the playing
field? I truly think that its nearly an impossible task we are not going to
be able to do this short of doing some self policing and putting ourselves
into check - as an individual! If you know that you are in the wrong then
fix yourself. When I say that I am running unassisted I unplug the internet
so that I know in my heart that I am truly Unassisted. And when I say that I
am running 100 watts I check myself time and time again to make sure that I
am running 100 watts. It’s a matter of some stations who are so dead set on
winning feeling that they must cheat in order to do it - that is a sad state
of affairs with all these Super Stations out there running antennas that I
can only dream of having and towers that are tall enough that I would have
to register them with the FAA just to have them at my house what does the
added advantage of cheating get you? Your name at the top of the list? How
about putting a stop to it and working like you want it fairly and do the
right things. 

Also if anyone is looking to sponsor a poor soldier who is trying his
hardest to put the winning scores up I am seeking sponsors (I can't believe
that some of these guys actually have sponsors wow amazes me!) Lol

Good luck and hope to work you ALL in the next rounds.

Jeremy
W1BO
Phenix City, AL

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Dröse
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:39
To: 'Contest Internet'
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fw: [RRDXA] E73M - I have cheated

Does that work Al? So I should never again call K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, etc. 
(having the faith they are all running legally) just because they are louder

then the rest of the gang? What about antenna, height, etc.? No, it won't 
work. ;-))

73, Olli - DH8BQA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aleith" <aleith at syd.eastlink.ca>
To: "'Contest Internet'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fw: [RRDXA] E73M - I have cheated

> My solution to this issue is simple.  I just don't work the big signals if
> everything else coming from that area is S-9 or less compared to the 40
> over 9 signals I hear from the "big guns".  If enough of us do that in any
> contest and the scores of the "big guns" go down as a result, perhaps a
> lesson will be learned.  Let your ears do the policing.
>
> 73
>
> Al, VE1AL
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Randy Thompson 
> K5ZD
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:36 AM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fw: [RRDXA] E73M - I have cheated
>
> Don has made some very good points.
>
> The Contest sponsors do not have magical powers to detect power cheating.
> You cannot assume the sponsor will be able to determine if a station is
> cheating in this way.  The best way to help is to report your suspicions,
> or better, to provide evidence.  These "suspicions" are very helpful to 
> the
> sponsor in knowing where to look for more information.
>
> Power cheating is the steroids of ham radio contesting.  Anyone who looks
> away or ignores the problem is not helping the sport and stealing 
> something
> from all of us.
>
>
> Randy, K5ZD
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
>> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Field
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fw: [RRDXA] E73M - I have cheated
>>
>> As manager for the IOTA contest, I feel I should comment. We dealt
>> with one station who repeatedly entered QRP and had scores typically
>> 50% higher than other QRP entrants. He no longer participates. We were
>> able to do this because we had corroborating evidence from the country
>> concerned that he was indeed running substantially more than QRP. But
>> it took a couple of years to get to the point where we were sure.
>>
>> So I am not clear how Kostas expected us to identify Low Power
>> entrants who were using high power (other than one that posted a photo
>> on their website with linear in full view :-)  ). Contest organisers
>> need to be fed the necessary information, and need to have evidence -
>> there are too many people nowadays ready to threaten legal action if
>> their integrity is impugned. That said, it is getting easier with the
>> RBN network to make comparisons between stations geographically close,
>> but even then there are big variations in site, antenna orientation, etc.
>>
>> That said, it's a pity if anyone stops participating because they feel
>> the organisers are not coming down hard on such cheats. It comes down
>> to why you participate in the first place. Is it purely to win? Is it
>> to have fun and run some pile-ups. Is it (in the case of the IOTA
>> contest) to work some new islands? There are several possible
>> motivations. Some want to win at all costs. Some never expect to win,
>> but they actually make these contests work
>> - without the "participants" (the "also rans", call them what you
>> will) the serious entrants would have a very thin time indeed!
>>
>> Don G3XTT
>> IOTA COntest Manager
>>
>> On 18 August 2011 17:42, Kostas Stamatis <sv1dpi at otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>> > I have lost from others SV cheating this way.... I knew that they
>> > had amplifiers and sent their log as Low power. What could i do? I
>> > was expecting RSGB (it was a previous iota  contest) to catch them.
>> > Unfortunately nothing.
>> > So i stopped participating on iota contest. Which is the next one? I
>> > don't know if i must stop contesting at all or i should buy a bigger
>> amplifier...
>> > CQ and ARRL can not understand that if they continue to follow this
>> > policy their contests will loose popularity? They can not see that
>> > Russian, Slovenian and others contests gain popularity because the
>> > sponsors trying hard (and do it) to catch cheaters? This is the most
>> > important thing and they keep trying to have good public relations
>> > and not correct things. Even penalties for cheaters are not big.
>> > Just my
>> opinion.
>> >
>> > 73 kostas SV1DPI
>> >
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