[CQ-Contest] Pileup behavior CW

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Actually the contest exchanges were much better.  It was outside the 
contest where I noticed this the most and it was not 1 in 10 it was more 
like 8 out of 10.

Mike W0MU

W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


On 12/7/2011 8:04 PM, somata90924 at mypacks.net wrote:
> he wrote===
> """""""W0MU wrote: While in J6 I noticed that many of the European operators
> felt that they needed to send their callsign back even though it was
> copied correctly on our end. This area also felt if necessary to send
> our callsign in many cases. Is there some reason that this is done? This
> was rarely encountered working the US or other areas. I can understand
> sending the call again if I have busted it but sending it again is
> unnecessary and made us wonder if we had been copying the calls wrong.
> """""""""""""""""""
>
> The reason is simple-it is programed in to his contest program, they need to set different responses for different contacts, I experience it all the time and sometimes think they think I copied the call incorrectly--NOT TRUE--their computer is programmed that way!!
>
> enough
> ZF2AH
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Gilbert<xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
>> Sent: Dec 5, 2011 8:52 AM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Pileup behavior CW
>>
>>
>> There can be several reasons why those things happen.  A few obvious
>> possibilities (in or out of a contest are) are:
>>
>> a.  QRM/QRN on his end caused the caller to think that you sent his call
>> incorrectly or incompletely.  In a contest he probably thinks he's doing
>> you a favor by doing that.  If I think you may have copied me as AD7E
>> instead of AB7E the log checkers are still going to give me credit for
>> the contact ... it's you that will get dinged for a busted callsign if I
>> don't correct you.  And if I care enough to call you outside of a
>> contest I probably want to make sure I'm in your log correctly for DXCC
>> or similar award.
>>
>> b.  QRM/QRN on his end makes you difficult for the caller to copy you
>> and he isn't 100% certain that you came back to him.  By including his
>> callsign again he changes the rhythm of the exchange enough so that when
>> you send your final acknowledgement (J6xx or TU or dit-dit or whatever)
>> he can more likely tell if it was a good QSO.
>>
>> c.  Many times the LIDs in a pileup are still calling after you have
>> come back to someone.  Possibly the caller has noticed that the
>> commotion has been causing you to ask for a lot of repeats on previous
>> exchanges.  By sending your callsign he adds a few seconds of
>> recognizable and mostly unique content for that QRM to potentially die
>> down so that you can copy him better with less overall time lost.
>> Again, whether true or not in fact, he thinks he's doing you a favor.
>>
>> d.  Although I don't subscribe to it myself, some folks think that a
>> valid contact in any situation requires that the station on either end
>> of a QSO must send both callsigns as part of the immediate exchange.
>>
>> I mean, think about it.  The QRM in Europe is notoriously bad,
>> especially on bands like 40m with shorter skip, and you already pointed
>> out the problem with brute force callers.  All you have to do is picture
>> what it must be like on the other end to get your answers.
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> W0MU wrote: While in J6 I noticed that many of the European operators
>> felt that they needed to send their callsign back even though it was
>> copied correctly on our end. This area also felt if necessary to send
>> our callsign in many cases. Is there some reason that this is done? This
>> was rarely encountered working the US or other areas. I can understand
>> sending the call again if I have busted it but sending it again is
>> unnecessary and made us wonder if we had been copying the calls wrong.
>> We operated split most of the time so it was not a case of not hearing
>> their call. We also noticed that this same area was also most prolific
>> in trying to brute force contacts by continuous calling and what I would
>> deem as other rude behavior. I recall having issue back in the 80's with
>> people calling out of turn but it seems far worse today with people
>> ignoring the wishes of the DX. The above was most noted outside the
>> contest period so maybe this post might be better served on a DX list.
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